May 6, 2025
(no music) (10 hours) Placebo, Belief and Expectation | Let me bore your pain away #32 | Jason Newland | 5th May 2025

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Hello, and welcome. I was a hit. We'd start finish
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making some strange noises. Welcome to Jasonnewland dot com. My
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name's Jason Newland, and this is let me boil your
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pain away. Please only listen when you can safely close
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your eyes. Also, only listen to this when you know
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the cause of you chronic pain and you have permission
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from your doctor to listen to this. Otherwise, please gain
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permission from your doctor or your medical practitioner. This is
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not a replacement for therapy or any medical advice. This
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is just me chatting about the subject and hopefully, in
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the process, helping to reduce the physical discomfort that you've
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been feeling. I'd like to say thank you to those
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of you that listen because these recordings have become I
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don't want to use the word popular because that's a
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bit overstated, but they've definitely become one of my more
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popular podcasts now and yeah, So I appreciate that because
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I've only really been doing regular, regular ones of these
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more recently, and I started doing them. When did I
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start doing them? I'm just going to go back have
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a quick look. The first one I did was eighteenth
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of August twenty twenty two, and then the tenth one
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I did was second of January twenty twenty five, so
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you see that was quite a big I did five
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in twenty twenty two, and I think I did three
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in twoenty twenty four or three, you know. Anyway, So
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I'm now at number thirty two. Now this is the
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thirty second one, so I've done quite a few this year.
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Phini's making some weird noises. All right, I'm distracted, So
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before I go on, just let you know that my
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website has all my recordings which you can stream and download.
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There's also in the menu you've got podcast apps. You've
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got playlists and podcasts, so you can kind of go
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through lots of different things. Thousands of recordings, and I've
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got a Facebook group called Jason Newland's Boring Group. I
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may shortly have an Instagram group and what else. Oh,
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I've got a YouTube channel at Jason Newland, which is
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basically every podcast I do goes onto the YouTube channel now,
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so it's another player, another place you can listen I did.
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I've got rid of my SoundCloud accounts, which I didn't
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realize was going to have an effect on people. It's
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about a few people contact me. I've tried to get
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them back, but they're deleted now, so they've gone. But
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you can listen to me on my website. You can
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listen on all of the major apps podcast apps, Spotify,
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Apple Podcasts, cast Box, all those and also on YouTube
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as well as directly on my website, and I post
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all the new recordings onto my Facebook group. Wow, that
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was a lot of it. So today I just had
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the urge. I don't really know why I have the
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little urge to talk about placebo and belief, which may
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seem like a strange thing to talk about when it
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comes to chronic pain really, but it's yeah, in a
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sense of like if you give someone a placebo tablet,
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if I can say the word, then you know, is
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it going to have the placebo effect? Probably not, I'd
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say possibly, definitely not because it works because they don't
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they don't know it's a placebo. It's kind of yeah,
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it's logical, I suppose, really, And I thought i'd look
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into this, the placebo effect in chronic pain, just out
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of interest, really, because the placebo effect is something that
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has been and it's still used today in studies, scientific studies,
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medical studies to find out the efficacy of maybe a
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new medication or a new treatment, and they put people
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into groups, give the correct medication to. They give medication
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to all three, but they don't tell the three groups
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who's in each group. They'll all let the same condition.
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And let's say it's a new diabetic medication or it's
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a new paying relief for someone with arthritis in their foot,
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for example. So you're three groups. One gets the new medication,
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one gets no medication, and one gets the blacibo medication.
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So you got three people. That's probably not a good example.
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I'm not sure the one to get no medication because
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that would be bliss ebo. But so you've got ones
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that just have no medication, and is to see how
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the person feels after a week or two weeks or whatever,
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because sometimes people with no medication can have effects that
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are positive as well. Or maybe I'll have a one
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group that has just has the old medication, but they
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won't tell the people what it is, so they'll get tablets.
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So if they listen, they've got two groups. I'm not
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explaining this very well, am I. Yeah, So you've got
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both two groups, both getting place, both getting tablets. I
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should have thought this through before I started. I thought
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about it in my head for about five minutes, and
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which shows you how much effort I go into. One
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group has the new medication, one group has the placebo.
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Now neither of them know which they're going to get,
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and then they judge about whether or not it works.
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And it's like this new drug that's supposed to be
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really useful, and they test it, and the placebo generally
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always get a high level as well high level of success. Now,
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I think if the people are told there's two groups,
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one of you is going to get the new medication,
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one of you group is going to get the placebo.
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I think if someone's told that there's a fifty percent
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chance that they're going to get a placebo, which would
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just be like a sugar pill, which has nothing. Mind you,
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a pill full of sugar would be quite nice unless
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you're diabetic. And I'm kind of on the cusp of
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diabetes at the moment, so I love sugar, but it
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doesn't love me that Okay, you see the size of
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my back anyway. So if you notice a fifty percent
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of the placebo, how's that going to affect the outcome?
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It's a weird one. But anyway, I've kind of done
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a little bit of research, a little bit of had
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a little look, kind of a roots up exploration of
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how placebos can help to relieve chronic pain, and sort
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of looking into psychology, neurobiology and some clinical data. I'm
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just like looking looking through it and just seeing what
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comes up. Now. When I first started learning about hypnosis
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and learning about MLP, which is new a linguistic programming,
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placebo is mentioned a lot. The idea that actually telling
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someone that a sugar pill is just the pill that
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they get being given is a new wonder drug and
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if the person really believes it. Because it's about belief
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as well. So that's one kind of looking at placebo
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and belief. Because about belief, the placebos doesn't have the power.
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Placebo needs that energy of belief. And that's Finny in
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the background, chomping on a chew chewy boney thing in
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case you're wondering what the noise is in the background.
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In a way, hypnosis is reliant upon I would say,
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I don't know. It's not reliant on belief, but there's
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the more belief you have. For example, if you listen
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to me regularly. Maybe you've listened to me for years
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doing other different recordings. Maybe you've been listening to these
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recordings for years, although there was quite a big gap
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between each recording, and you're a regular listener, or you
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become a regular listener, You're going to expect to feel
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more relaxed. You're going to expect me to come out
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with some weird things as well, which I'm going to do.
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I'm going to say some stuff that you won't normally
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hear in these kinds of recordings. But you're also that
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expectation is mixed with belief because you believe what is
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expectation other than you believe something's going to happen. You
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believe that you're going to have you're going to feel
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a certain way. So to say you expect to feel relaxed,
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as you believe you're going to feel relaxed, you expect
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to for the part of your body that was troubling
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you before to feel more comfortable. Is that you believe
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that you're going to feel more at ease and more
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peaceful and loose and calm in that part of your body.
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So that's kind of what expectation is really isn't it.
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It's just belief, and so placebo and belief as well.
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It's kind of the same word is to see bow
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is expectation. It's expecting something to happen, something positive to happen,
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because you believe that it's going to happen. So you
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expect to feel relaxed in your body. You expect your
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mind to calm down and become slower, your thoughts slowing
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down and almost to the point where you realize they're
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not necessarily needed right now as you focus on my voice.
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You expect that and you believe it's going to happen,
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because it's happened before. Maybe you know it's like a
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I don't know what it's self fulfilling, prophecy or something
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like that. I'm not sure we've prophecies the right word.
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That sounds way too spiritual, way too esoteric for me.
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So I think everyone knows what the word placebo means,
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but I'll mention it just in case I should see
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what the correct definition of is in the dictionary. So
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look a pla. A placebo effect is the portion of
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symptom change produced by the psychosocial context of treatment, expectations, conditioning,
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therapeutic ritual rather than by any direct pharma, pharmacological or
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physical action of the treatment itself. Wow, I said, mouthful,
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wasn't it. So it's based and you think about it. Yeah,
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placebo has a lot to do with healing anyway. So
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if someone goes to have an operation hip replacement, for example,
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and they're expecting to feel relief when they wake up
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after the operation, they're expecting to feel grateful because they're
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no longer going to be having that discomfort that they
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used to have. They're expecting to be walking. They're going
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to imagine themselves walking freely again soon with a bit
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of rehabilitation, a little bit of rest, a little bit
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of exercise, physiotherapy, whatever. But their expectation is positive and
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a belief is there that it's just a very positive situation.
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And because it's such a I'm not going to say
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simple operation, it's just a very often done operation. Millions
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of them are done around the world every year. So
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it's one of those almost like it's a stand it's
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almost like having your tonsils out. Now it's not, but
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you know what I mean, It's like the fear that
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would have been there fifty forty years ago doesn't need
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to be there anymore, because it's you can literally knock
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on the doors in your street and probably find two
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or three people have had their hip replaced, hip replaced,
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hips replaced. If I can get the words out, I mean,
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you might only live in a small road. So maybe
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not in that road, but just on my little estate
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where I live, I've met three people that had their
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hips replaced. It's kind of more of a standard thing
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these days. So when you expect the recovery, when you
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expect to feel calmer and to feel that relief, then
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your healing is going to improve. And that belief is
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technically a placebo effect because you've almost tort yourself into
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believing that during or before, during and after the operation
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you're going to be fine. And every stage, every step
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of that process leads you towards freedom, leads you towards
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where you want to be, where you're looking forward to being.
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So it's kind of powerful that I quite like that,
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you know the idea that we actually use that placebo
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effect on ourselves, and it's more powerful when we do
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it on ourselves. But it doesn't seem like a placebo
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effect because it's real. It's not a little sugar tablet.
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It's not a fake, fake medicine. No one's tricking you.
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No one's pulling the covers over your eyes that you
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know what I mean. No one's like manipulating you. You're
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and you're not manipulating yourself. You're not tricking yourself. You
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just believe, based on the evidence you have, everything's gonna
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work out fine. And when you've got that belief and
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that expectation that when you wake up from the operation,
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you're going to actually feel relaxed and calm, and you'll
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almost feel that part of your body healing, like it's
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healing in front of you. You're observing it heal. So
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that feeling that maybe before you would perhaps have given
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it a name, you know, the thing could begin with P.
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Maybe you experienced that physical sensation in a different way
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so that it's now begins of h healing. I did
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notice years ago this is weird. I had a really
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dodgy back for my upper back, not my lower back.
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So I got arthrights on my lower back, but my
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upper back was problematic, and I think there's a lot
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of to do is I don't get back. Then I
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wasn't getting out enough and I went to the doctors
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and they put me on these super strong medication to
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help with it, sort of muscle relaxes, and because said
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it was muscular and made my brain go weird. To
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be honest with you, I had to stop taking them
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because it was weird that they didn't really agree with me,
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and I thought they were just painkillers, but they weren't.
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They were as well, but that muscle like, nah, no thanks.
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So I got this strap strap on thing where I
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should rephrase that, shouldn't I It was like a brace
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back brace thing that is that the right word, and
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my friend helped me put it on. It was basically
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not to stretch but straight, and I suppose just straight
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in my back because I was a bit of a sloucher,
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which is weird because I'm only three foot tall. I
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