May 6, 2025

(music) Placebo, Belief and Expectation | Let me bore your pain away #32 | Jason Newland | 5th May 2025

(music) Placebo, Belief and Expectation | Let me bore your pain away #32 | Jason Newland | 5th May 2025
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Hello, and welcome. I was a with we'd start finished

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making some strange noises. Welcome to Jasonnewland dot com. My

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name's Jason Newland, and this is let me boil your

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pain away. Please only listen when you can safely close

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your eyes.

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Also, I only.

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Listen to this when you know the cause of your

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chronic pain and you have permission from your doctor to

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listen to this. Otherwise, please gain permission from your doctor

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or your medical practitioner. This is not a replacement for

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therapy or any medical advice.

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This is just.

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Me chatting about the subject and hopefully, in the process,

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helping to reduce the physical discomfort that you've been feeling.

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I'd like to say thank you to those of you

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that listen because these recordings have become I don't want

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to use the word popular because that's a bit overstated,

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but they've definitely become one of my more popular podcasts

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now and yeah, So I appreciate that because I've only

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really been doing regular, regular ones of these more recently,

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and I started doing them. When did I start doing them?

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I'm just going to go back have a quick look.

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The first one I did was eighteenth of August twenty

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twenty two, and then the tenth one I did was

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second of January twenty twenty five, so you see that

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was quite a big I did five in twenty twenty two,

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and I think I did three in twoenty twenty four

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or three, you know. Anyway, So I'm now at number.

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Thirty two.

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Now this is the thirty second one, so I've done

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quite a few this year. Phoini's making some weird noises.

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All right, I'm distracted, So before I go on, just

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let you know that my website has all my recordings

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which you can stream and download. There's also in the

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menu you've got podcast apps. You've got playlists and podcasts,

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so you can kind of go through lots of different things.

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Thousands of recordings, and I've.

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Got a Facebook group called Jason Newland's Boring Group.

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I may shortly have.

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An Instagram group.

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And what else.

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Oh, I've got a YouTube channel at Jason Newland, which

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is basically every podcast I do goes onto the YouTube

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channel now, so it's another play another place you can

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listen I did. I've got rid of my SoundCloud accounts,

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which I didn't realize was going to have an effect

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on people, so I had a few people contact me.

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I've tried to get them back, but they're deleted now

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that they're gone, but you can listen to me on

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my website. You can listen on all of the major apps,

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podcast apps, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, cast Box, all those and

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also on YouTube as well as directly on my website.

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And I post all the new recordings onto my Facebook group. Wow,

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that was a lot in it. So today I just

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had the urge.

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I don't really know why. I had the little.

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Urge to talk about placebo and belief, which may seem

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like a strange thing to talk about when it comes

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to chronic pain really, but.

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It's yeah, in.

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A sense of like if you give someone a placebo tablet,

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if I can say the word, then you know, is

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it going to have the placebo effect? Probably not, I'd

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say possibly, definitely not because it works because they don't

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they don't know it's a placebo. It's kind of yeah,

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it's logical, I suppose, really, And I thought i'd look

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into this, the placebo effect in chronic pain, just out

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of interest, really.

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Because.

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The placebo effect is something that has been and it's

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still used today in studies, scientific studies, medical studies to

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find out the efficacy of maybe a new medication or

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a new treatment. And you know, they put people into groups,

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give the correct medication to. They give medication to all three,

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but they don't tell the three groups who's in whach group.

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They're all left the same condition. Let's say it's a

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new diabetic medication, or it's a new paying relief for

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someone with arthritis in their foot, for example.

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So you're three groups.

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One gets the new medication, one gets no medication, and

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one gets the blasibo medication. So you got three people.

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That's probably not a good example. I'm not sure if

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the one to get no medication because that would be

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bliss ebo. But so you've got ones that just have

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no medication and to see how the person feels after

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a week or two weeks or whatever, because sometimes people

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with no medication can have effects that are positive as well.

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Or maybe I'll have a one group that has just

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has the old medication, but they won't tell the people

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what it is, so they'll get tablets. So if they listen,

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they've got two groups.

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I'm not explaining this very well, am I.

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Yeah, So you've got both two groups, both getting place,

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both getting tablets. I should have thought this through before

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I started. I thought about it in my head for

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about five minutes, and which shows you how much effort

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I go into. One group has the new medication, one

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group has the placebo. Now neither of them know which

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they're going to get, and then they judge about whether

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or not it works. And it's like this new drug

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that's supposed to be really useful, and they test it,

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and the placebo generally always get a high level as

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well high level of success. Now, I think if the

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people are told there's two groups, one of you is

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going to get the new medication, one of you group

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is going to get the placebo. I think if someone's

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told that there's a fifty percent chance that they're going

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to get a placebo, which would just be like a

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sugar pill, which has nothing. Mind you, a pill full

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of sugar would be quite nice unless you're diabetic. And

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I'm kind of on the cusp of diabetes at the moment,

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so I love sugar, but it doesn't love me that Okay,

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you see the size of my back anyway, So if

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you notice a fifty percent of the placebo, how's that

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going to affect the outcome.

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It's a weird one.

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But anyway, I kind of done a little bit of research,

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a little bit of had a little look, kind of

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a roots up exploration of how placebos can help to

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relieve chronic pain, and sort of looking into psychology, neurobiology

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and some clinical data. I'm just start looking looking.

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Through it and just seeing what comes up. Now.

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When I first started learning about hypnosis and learning about MLP,

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which is new a linguistic programming, placebo is mentioned a lot.

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The idea that actually telling someone that a sugar pill is,

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you know, just the pill that they get being given

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is a new wonder drug and if the person really

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believes it.

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Because it's about belief as well.

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So that's one I'm kind of looking at placebo and

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belief because about belief, the placebos doesn't have the power.

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Placebo needs that energy of belief. And that's Finny in

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the background, chomping on a chew chewy boney thing in

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case you're wondering what the noise is.

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In the background.

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In a way, hypnosis is reliant upon I would say,

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I don't know. It's not reliant on belief, but there's

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the more belief you have. For example, if you listen

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to me regularly, maybe you've listened to me for years

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doing other different recordings. Maybe you've been listening to these

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recordings for years, although there was quite a big gap

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between each recording, and you're a regular listener, or you

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become a regular listener, You're going to expect to feel

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more relaxed. You're going to expect me to come out

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with some weird things as well, which I'm going to do.

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I'm going to say some stuff that you won't normally

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hear in these kinds of recordings.

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But you're also.

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That expectation is mixed with belief because you believe what

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is expectation other than you believe something's going to happen.

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You believe that you're going to have you're going to

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feel a certain way. So to say you expect to

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feel relaxed, as you believe you're going to feel relaxed,

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You expect to for the part of your body that

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was troubling you before to feel more comfortable. Is that

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you believe that you're going to feel more at ease

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and more peaceful and loose and calm in that part

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of your body. So that's kind of what expectation is really,

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isn't it. It's just belief, and so placebo and belief.

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As well.

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It's kind of the same word is Cebo is expectation.

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It's expecting something to happen, something positive to happen, because

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you believe that it's going to happen. So you expect

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to feel relaxed in your body. You expect your mind

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to calm down and become slower, your thoughts slowing down

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and almost to the point where you realize they're not

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necessarily needed right now as you focus on my voice.

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You expect that.

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And you believe it's going to happen because it's happened before.

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Maybe you know it's like a I don't know what

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it's self fulfilling prophecy or something like that. I'm not

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sure I've prophecies the right word. That sounds way too spiritual,

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way too.

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Esoteric for me.

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So I think everyone knows what the word placebo means,

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but I'll mention it just in case I should see

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what the correct definition of is in the dictionary.

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So look a.

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Place A placebo effect is the portion of symptom change

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produced by the psychosocial context of treatment, expectations, conditioning, therapeutic

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ritual rather than by any direct pharma, pharmacological or physical

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action of the treatment itself. Wow, I said, mouthful, wasn't it.

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So it's based and you think about it. Yeah, placebo

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has a lot to do with healing anyway. So if

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someone goes to have an operation hip replacement, for example,

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and they're expecting to feel relief when they wake up

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after the operation, they're expecting to feel grateful because they're

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no longer going to be having that discomfort that they

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used to have. They're expecting to.

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Be walking.

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They're going to imagine themselves walking freely again soon with

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a bit of rehabilitation, a little bit of rest, a

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little bit of exercise, physiotherapy, whatever. But their expectation is

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positive and a belief is there that it's just a

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very positive situation. And because it's such a I'm not

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going to say simple operation, it's just a very often

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done operation. Millions of them are done around the world

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every year. So it's one of those almost like just

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a stand it's almost like having your tonsils out. Now

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it's not, but you know what I mean, it's like

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the fear that would have been there fifty forty years ago,

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doesn't need to be there anymore because it's you can

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literally knock on the doors in your street and probably

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find two or three people have had their hip replaced,

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hip replaced, hips replaced. If I can get the words out,

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I mean, you might only live in a small road.

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So maybe not in that road, but.

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Just on my little estate where I live, I've met

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three people that had their hips replaced. It's kind of

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more of a standard thing these days. So when you

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expect the recovery, when you expect to feel calmer and

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to feel that relief, then your healing is going to improve.

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And that belief is technically a placebo effect because you've

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almost tort yourself into believing that during or before, during,

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and after the operation you're going to be fine. And

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every stage, every step of that process leads you towards freedom,

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leads you towards where you want to be, where you're

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looking forward to being. So it's kind of powerful that

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I quite like that, you know the idea that we

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actually use that placebo effect on ourselves, and it's more

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powerful when we do it on ourselves. But it doesn't

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seem like a placebo effect because it's real. It's not

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always sugar tablet. It's not a fake, fake medicine. No

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one's tricking you. No one's pulling the covers over your

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eyes that you know what I mean. No one's like

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manipulating you. You're and you're not manipulating yourself. You're not

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tricking yourself. You just believe, based on the evidence you have,

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everything's gonna work out fine. And when you've got that

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belief and that expectation that when you wake up from

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the operation, you're going to actually feel relaxed and calm,

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and you'll almost feel that part of your body healing,

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like it's healing in front of you. You're observing it heal.

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So that feeling that maybe before you would perhaps have

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given it a name, you know, the thing would begin

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with P. Maybe you experienced that physical sensation in a

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different way so that it's now begins of h healing.

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I did notice years ago this is weird. I had

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a really dodgy back for my upper back, not my

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lower back. So I got oar frights on my lower back,

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but my upper back was problematic, and I think there's

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a lot of to do is I don't get back

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then I wasn't getting out enough and I went to

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the doctors and they put me on these super strong

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medication to help with it, sort of muscle relaxes, and

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consider it was muscular and made my brain go weird.

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To be honest with you, I'd stop taking them because

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it was weird that they didn't really agree with me,

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and I thought they were just painkillers, but they weren't.

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They were as well, but.

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That muscle like, nah, no thanks. So I got this.

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Strap strap on thing where I should rephrase that, shouldn't

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I It was like a brace back brace thing that

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is that the right word, and my friends helped me.

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Straight, and I suppose just straight in my back because

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I was a bit of a sloucher, which is weird

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because I'm only three foot tall.

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I should be looking up at the sky a bit

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more often. Ah, look at them things? What was that? Clouds?

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I took it off. But I started doing exercise and

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after about two weeks of doing gener exercises, gentle stretches

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and going for regular walks, I.

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And I was walking andre this is you know, quite

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a few years back, and I could feel my lower

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now I could feel my back, but I had a

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different feeling. It was almost like it was the same feeling,

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but it felt different, if that makes any sense. I

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wasn't seeing it, I wasn't experiencing it. I wasn't thinking

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about it in the same way it was. I said

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this before, and I don't know why, but I sometimes

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feel that when the part of your body that maybe

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needs to be feeling more relief, more calmness, it's.

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Sometimes I give a bit of attention, a bit of

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loving kindness, you know, a bit of whatever this is,

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you know, a bit of a bit of calm, a

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bit of you know, sometimes this feels a little bit itchy,

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not scratchy itchy, but just a little bit almost like.

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Parts of that.

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Part of my body, parts of it are kind of.

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I don't know how to explain.

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Do you know that that that Sherbert you can get

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and you put it in your mouth and it starts

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to sparkle. I don't know, it's this really is love

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it and it's just like basically pops out of your mouth.

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It's like it's really nice. I mean, I haven't had

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any for since two thousand and four, But which is

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weird that I remember that it was Christmas. I did

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a lot in two thousand and four, but it's a

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whole year.

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Isn't it.

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And it felt a little bit like that, but like

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it was coming out of my back like a gentle

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sparkled definitely a feeling, but not a feeling that felt

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the same as what it was before. So you a

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part of your body don't feel the same. It feels

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having that sparkly kind of sensation, which is strange, but

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it's at the same time unusual. Maybe not might not

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class it's pleasurable, but it's definitely a weird sensation. Yeah,

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so I get that sometimes, and I just I noticed

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that back then when my back kind of sorted itself out.

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That's another thing that I found weird. While my upper

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back was being problematic, my lower back I had no

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problems with it. It's almost like I could only focus

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on one part at the time. My body would only

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allow me to. Really, it's like it could only be

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grumpy at one part of my body at the same time,

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couldn't be grumpy at more than one part.

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It's weird.

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I suppose I really tried hard I might have been

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able to. But let's it a little bit like pleasure,

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isn't it.

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It's some times focused.

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Or when you've been doing a lot of walking, you

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take your shoes off, what do you notice. First of all,

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you notice how how.

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Much relief your feet have. Or if you get.

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In from a cold day, you walk in and you

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take your coat off, and you realize how loose you fit,

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your shoulders feel because they were kind of a little

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bit restricted before. You might notice how light your body

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feels not having a big coat on. And when you

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take your parachute pack off, you realize, oh, it's much

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easier to walk about that one back. Next time I

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go to the supermarket, I'll leave it at home. That's

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what little things to like you notice. And when you

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sit down after you know you've been busy, like, oh

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it's nice. Where you close your eyes and all you

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can hear is the vinny doing his utmost to be

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as noisy as possible in the background. So look at

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placebo effect for the subject that we're focused on. So basically,

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and I'm sure I don't know a lot of people

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would know about neuroplasticity, which is well neural plasticity, which

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is something that neuroscientists have really kind of It's not

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like a recent discovery, but I've read a couple of

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books on it and it's fascinating and a lot of

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the technology, or a lot of the knowledge rather has

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come from people that have had medical conditions that affected

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the brain, which has then affected parts of the body,

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like with restrictions and how that there was kind of

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for a while a fixed idea that well, first of all,

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the left side of the brain operates the right side

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of the body, the right side of the brain operates

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operates the left side of the body, and there's certain

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parts of the brain operates speech and all these different things,

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which is, you know, it's true, but when someone, let's say,

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has had a stroke, the I don't really like mentioning

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medical conditions when I do these. But they realized that

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the brain can start to rewire and change, so rewire

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itself so that the parts that wouldn't normally be used

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to operate the other side of the body.

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Start doing so.

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And hence I think the term plasticity neurals plastic plastics.

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I could say the first two times, the second and

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third the first two times and the second and the third,

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I think it might be time to go to bed.

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So the neural plasticity, it can affect, it can help you.

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It's basically, your brain changes, your brain can adapt. It's

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not set. These are the old things used to say, Oh,

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you can't teach old dog new tricks and always set

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in his ways, and they're men and all that stuff. Well,

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actually what they're really saying, I think all them years

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was your brain is set, that's it, and that's all

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you got. And I think it's quite exciting really, the

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idea that actually we're.

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Not just set.

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Our brains are not just set in stone and that's.

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All we've got. You know.

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It's like a house is wired and that's it, or we've.

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Got one, or a computer.

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Imagine if we were still running our laptops or our

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computers off of Windows, the first Windows, which is probably

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what the nineties. In the nineties, we couldn't do any

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of the stuff we do now, or we still are

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the same. You know, this circuitry, everything changes and it's adapted.

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And I realized that's man made. But the brain adapts.

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And even now, you know, even neuroscientists and specialists, they're

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still only I only got started on the brain. Really,

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they still know a million times more than I'll ever know.

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But in compared to what they will know in let's

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say twenty thirty, fifty years time, they've just started, it's phenomenal.

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I mean a fifty years time, the brain and computers

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and all that stuff, it will all be mixed together anyway.

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I mean, it's already neurolink and all stuff that's already

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been done. And it's amazing. It's absolutely amazing that someone

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who ten years ago, well you could say now, is

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maybe stuck in a wheelchair, quadrily quadriplegic, can't move, can't

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do anything, and with a small procedure they can start

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to do things, start to use a computer just with

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their thoughts, and maybe even have one of those skeletal

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robotic skeletal frames. Yeah, so many things can be done.

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It's phenomenal. Stuff like that excites me. Don't understand it all,

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but it excites me.

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But then.

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A chocolate Easter excites me, So it doesn't take a

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lot to be fair.

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Somethings.

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I'm gonna look, and there's quite a lot of information

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here about placebos. The main thing really is placebos have

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shown to be effective.

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There was a story years ago. I don't know if

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it's true. In fact, I might just look this up

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stories of.

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So stories of when placebos were effective. It's very hard

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to type and talk at the same time, which is

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weird because that's what I used to do for a living.

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I wasn't just typing talking, but I was working in

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a call center typing the whole time and talking as like. Now, well,

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so I just for.

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I suppose a.

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Question, is hypnosis placebo? Now you know this is not

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a hypnosis session, This is not a therapy session. This

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is just me talking about placebos and belief in conjunction

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with chronic pain. That's what this is, in the hope

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that it might help to be useful, because I do

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say I mean, I didn't say this time, but quite

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often I will try and say, notice how the part

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of your body feels at the beginning of the recording,

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or before you start listening to the recording, zero to ten,

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ten being zero being the lowest and ten the opposite,

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And then notice how you feel.

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At the end.

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You know what, we could introduce something else into the

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melting pot, that is placebo and belief, superstition. I mean Ultimately,

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isn't that what superstition is. It's believing something doesn't have

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to make sense, and quite often with superstitions there is

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no sense to it.

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There is.

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Quite often no logic to it. But it's about how

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it feels for that person. I remember when I was

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in sales, there was this bloke and what was his name,

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Steve Stephen Oka, excuse me, I'm boring myself.

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He yes, no is Steve.

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Anyway, make a.

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Bit more noise, please, can he?

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Whatever his name was, he had this thing where he

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would go up because there'd be a board and every

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time he gets sale, would go up and write down

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the number, you know, changing number from seven to or

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you know.

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Whatever it is now. What he used to do, he'd wipe.

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It out, putting the new number, wipe it out, putting

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the new number, wipe it out, and then putting the

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new number again, so'd wipe it out. He'd wipe out

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the new number twice, wipe out the old number once.

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Then he wipe out the new number twice, and then

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put it in lastly. And that was his superstition.

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He was.

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One of the best sellers. It was only car insurance,

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but he was still he literally put no effort in

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selling in the sense of it is natural, and he

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just did it. He was so good, so naturally good

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of what he did. And the sales manager decided, you know,

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in their little thing is they decided, you know what

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you tell us when you've got to sell, and we'll

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put it on the board. And he stopped selling because

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he wasn't going up there and doing himself. It affected him.

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He wasn't getting the sales he would normally get. Now

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some would argue, well, it's that Maybe it's that walk,

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it's that like getting up and showing everyone that he's

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got another sale. Maybe it's just that break that process,

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that procedure, that ritual. Another thing people would do to

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wind him up is that actually rub out the number,

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so you have to keep getting up and putting the

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number and wipe it out for twice before putting it

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in again. And people just to wind him up, knowing

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that it was something that it was superstitious about, and

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they'd wipe it out just to wind him up, and

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it affected his performance. So I found that quite interesting.

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I personally have been this an old trick, but I'd

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never heard of it before. And when I was for seventeen,

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sixteen seventeen working in a chip shop. Yeah, I turned sixteen,

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so sixteen, went around my boss's new house and all

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the stuff around there. We were drinking. I got drunk,

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and then at the end of the evening everyone gathered

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around as he showed me that I'd been drinking non

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olco Poli blager the whole time, and everyone laughed at me.

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So again, that's a placebo, isn't it. It was a

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horrible experience, and you know, it wasn't a nice, nice

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thing to do to someone. But I genuinely felt drunk

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until I saw that it was.

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Not alcohol. I wonder if.

485
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They had given me alcohol all night and just showed

486
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:42.880
me that I wasn't drinking, just showed me like, oh,

487
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:48.000
you've been drinking non alcoholic. How would that have affected me?

488
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:54.480
Because the alcohol is already in my system.

489
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:55.159
I don't know.

490
00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:02.440
That's just just chucking at any air. Really, So you've

491
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:11.880
got some things here, the actual So look, So here's

492
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:17.800
a study. It was done. It's a Houston, Texas, USA

493
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:23.960
VA Medical Center nineteen ninety five to two thousand. Orthopedic author,

494
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:31.079
orthopedic orthopedic surgeon J. Bruce Moseley recruited one hundred and

495
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:40.159
eighty military veterans with grinding knee osteo arthritis. It's weird,

496
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:42.880
isn't it. Just the description lets you know exactly what

497
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:47.159
it is in your operating room. A third received the

498
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:55.679
usual arthroscopic de bribement, which I'm pretty sure is filing

499
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:01.880
it filing it down. Another third gotten en scopic leverage,

500
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.039
got no idea what is, and the final group had

501
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:11.320
nothing more than three skin insurtions while the team pretended

502
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:17.039
to operate, moving instruments, splashing the sayline and even talking

503
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:25.639
through a fake procedure. So so I said sixty, So

504
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.039
sixty people had nothing done other than a couple of

505
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.119
insurtions under local anesthetic.

506
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:42.679
And no treatment whatsoever. Wow.

507
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:48.280
Two years later, the sham surgery group could walk and

508
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.719
climb stairs every bit as well as those who'd had

509
00:42:51.760 --> 00:43:02.119
the real operations. Pain scores overlapped completely, and one participant

510
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.320
later told reporters he'd run out of excuses not to

511
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.960
mow the lawn. The trial re shaped orthopedic guidelines around

512
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:15.199
the world. So there's some things that perhaps they wouldn't

513
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.719
be allowed to do anymore. But isn't it interesting don't

514
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:28.400
you think that believing that you can feel relaxed and

515
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:33.559
believe in that you can recover fully and believing that

516
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:42.639
you can have relief, maybe believe that you deserve relief,

517
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:52.719
expect relief. So this is a study in Lisbon, Portugal,

518
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:58.639
twenty sixteen. Right, just let you that that last one

519
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:06.760
controlled this was in the National Library of Medicine, and

520
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:13.079
so yeah, wow, okay. Citation Mosey JB.

521
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.679
O'Malley, K. Peterson, Mink.

522
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:26.320
Brodie, Kai, Kendall, Hollingsworth, ash Ray so controlled trial of

523
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:35.960
oustroscopic surgery for ostroforus osteo arthritis of the knee. That's

524
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:41.239
just I just absolutely it boggles my boggles my novel

525
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:41.719
that does.

526
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:43.519
So.

527
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:50.400
This one is Lisbon, Portugal, twenty sixteen. Capsules literally labeled

528
00:44:50.480 --> 00:45:00.320
place that's funny, literally labeled placebo, eased stub and a

529
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:06.440
low back pain. So ninety seven adults whose backs are

530
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:10.320
dated for an average of fourteen years were split into

531
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.480
two groups. Both kept their user treatment, but one group

532
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.440
also took two white pills twice a day from a

533
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:26.960
bottle that read open labeled placebo in bold letters. It's

534
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.119
hard to read that out about laughing to be fair,

535
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:38.960
and not everybody's going to know what the word placebo means.

536
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:44.760
But possibly I'm just checking it out there, I remember,

537
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.159
I imagine most people do.

538
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:48.159
But then.

539
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.000
If it was in Portugal, was it written in English

540
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:57.119
or was it written in Portuguese or in Spanish? So

541
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.559
you know, that's just a few questions a cover up

542
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:02.480
in my head.

543
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:05.920
Anyway, after just three.

544
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:10.840
Weeks, usual and worst pain were down about thirty percent.

545
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.599
A change is large enough for conditions to call it

546
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:19.800
much improved. I'd say down thirty percent is much improved,

547
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:25.960
wouldn't you. Minimum pain felt sixteen percent while actually rose

548
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:37.400
while in control minimum pain fell sixteen percent, but in

549
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:45.119
the other group it actually rose twenty five percent. So

550
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:50.840
the people that didn't take the placebo pills didn't. And

551
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:55.039
then there's that one that's that's the thing. Do you

552
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:57.280
imagine if you're in two groups, Well, you run in

553
00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:58.480
one group, but there's another group.

554
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:00.239
You both.

555
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.000
That both groups got the same conditions. So let's say,

556
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.320
through my example, everyone in my group's got a lower

557
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.559
lower back aft writers like me, and all the other

558
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.760
group have got it as well. Same thing, same situation.

559
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:22.679
We're all doing our exercises. We're all doing what we

560
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.840
need to do and you know, to try and help it.

561
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:30.440
But I'm in a group and the other group are

562
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.800
taking these pills. I'm not allowed to take these pills,

563
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:44.239
and maybe I feel put out, like that's not fair.

564
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.000
We're going to trial and study. They're the ones with

565
00:47:48.079 --> 00:48:00.119
the pills, maybe not knowing that their placebo thinking. So

566
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.760
in a sense, the placebo effect is working opposite. It's

567
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:09.599
a negative placebo effect on the other people watching them

568
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:13.480
thinking you've got the good pills and it's helping you,

569
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:21.599
which has the opposite effect by making them feel worse.

570
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:30.039
Maybe just chucking that out, So no deception, just a

571
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:37.639
clear explanation that placebos activate mind body self healing, and.

572
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:42.679
I mean they do. But generally, I.

573
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:47.039
Mean placebos do activate mind body self healing, and they

574
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:50.920
do help to relieve chronic pain and to help someone

575
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:56.239
feel more relaxed. I mean usually if the person don't

576
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:59.559
know it's a placebo, the fact that they know it's

577
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:10.360
a plicit that is a bit, I don't know, very fascinating.

578
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:21.760
So but then you think about it sometimes by taking action,

579
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.760
whether it's listening to a recording, listen to some weirdo

580
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:35.400
like me, rabiting on about all kinds of weird things,

581
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:46.000
taking action, doing something different, thinking differently, wrapping your mind

582
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:52.719
around the idea that actually, things can change, and things

583
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:56.119
will change, and things have changed in the past, they

584
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:59.880
will change in the future, and this is just an

585
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.639
or one of those things that will change.

586
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:06.199
And when you decided.

587
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.920
That those things are going to change, and you start

588
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:17.239
making those decisions to do different things, such as listening

589
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:23.320
to this, you've kind of opened up that I suppose

590
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:24.079
you could call it.

591
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:29.239
You've got in touch with that.

592
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:35.599
Neuroplasticity in your brain to affect your nervous system in

593
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:41.599
a positive way to make changes. You're kind of opening

594
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:47.360
yourself up to the idea that actually you're not stuck,

595
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:51.039
you're not set in any one particular way of thinking

596
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.119
about things. That there's millions of different ways to think

597
00:50:55.159 --> 00:51:02.519
about something and it can affect you in a real

598
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:08.840
positive way. When you start to realize that actually you're

599
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:12.280
not limited in a way that you maybe thought you were.

600
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:18.599
You've got more flexibility, more options, I want to say

601
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:25.880
more options. I'm talking like infinite, infinite options. Because you

602
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.159
choose what you do next every second of every day.

603
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.280
You choose what you do next. You don't have to

604
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.079
do anything. You don't have to say anything. Of course,

605
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.960
we have to briethe. There's things that we have to do.

606
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.239
But I'm talking about things that you do consciously.

607
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:47.039
You choose. You know.

608
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:49.239
Some people say, oh, yeah, you have to go to work.

609
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:50.639
Yeah you do.

610
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:52.119
If you want to pay the rent and buy the

611
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.880
food and all the stuff, you don't have to you

612
00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:01.320
choose to. It takes that that vic mentality out of it,

613
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:05.679
that feeling sorry for ourselves. When you realize and when

614
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:12.320
I realized that, actually it is a choice. No one's

615
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.440
making you listen to this and I keep this is

616
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.360
my choice not to get rid of that metal thing

617
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.639
sticking out of my desk, and I keep banging it

618
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:24.119
when everyone's on a recording. I choose to both moan

619
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.039
about it and to do nothing about it. At the

620
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:26.559
same time.

621
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:28.960
It's choice.

622
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:32.480
I could just remove it or I could just not

623
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:33.800
mention it.

624
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:34.599
But for some.

625
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:42.920
Reason I don't do either of those things. All look

626
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:46.599
at this a single sayline and if it's saline or

627
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:56.800
saaline jab squirted into the back of yeah, so put

628
00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:10.880
into the back a single selling jab Okay researchers I'm

629
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.639
just reading us. Researchers gave one hundred and one chronic

630
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:19.159
back pain patients a brief mind body explanation and then

631
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:28.760
an open label subcutaneous injection of sterile saline. Pain intensity

632
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:33.679
dropped for four weeks, with secondary gains in mood and sleep.

633
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:41.239
Brain scans revealed stronger connectivity between the medial prefrontal cortex

634
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:48.800
and brain stem pain control nuclear or nuclei, so the

635
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:56.119
very circuitry mapped in classic deceptive placebo studies, suggesting that

636
00:53:56.159 --> 00:54:01.239
the brain doesn't care whether the treatment is real, only

637
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:10.800
whether the meaning feels real. I just can't repeat that

638
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:14.519
the brain doesn't care whether the treatment is real, only

639
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:22.079
whether the meaning feels real. And follow up reports showed

640
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:28.639
durable function durable functional improvements at twelve months.

641
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:31.239
See.

642
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:39.559
The only reason why placebo wasn't continued like put into

643
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:42.840
mainstream medicine as farther know maybe it has been that

644
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:52.400
we don't know about is because of the ethics.

645
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:53.880
I suppose the ethics of it.

646
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:58.960
The idea of lying to people.

647
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:03.519
But I know.

648
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:08.119
Is another one. More than one thousand people with chronic

649
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:16.119
lower back pain were randomized to a traditional acupuncture b

650
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:25.320
fake acupuncture, where needles were inserted shallowly at non meridian

651
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:33.119
points or c standard medical care ie physiotherapy, pain, meds,

652
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.719
exercise advice. Okay, so.

653
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:46.440
BlimE me.

654
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:49.119
So that's that's quite a few people, isn't it. So

655
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:53.639
one three groups, one with traditional acupuncture, one with fake acupuncture,

656
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:58.559
and one would just standard medical care. After six months,

657
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:04.599
about fifty percent are both acupuncture groups reported meaningful relief

658
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:10.360
versus twenty five percent of those getting conventional care. So

659
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:15.960
the press they would do of the press spun the

660
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:23.320
finding it as even sham acupuncture works, but investigators highlighted

661
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:29.239
a deeper lesson. A tactile, time intensive ritual delivered with

662
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:39.000
confidence can beat many drugs. I've had acupuncture a few

663
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:40.760
times over the years.

664
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.000
I'll tell you what was weird? Did you know?

665
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.400
I don't know if it's still the same, but I

666
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:49.960
wasn't allowed to give blood because I'd had acupuncture in

667
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.320
the last two years.

668
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:56.960
This is a while back. That's weird.

669
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:03.800
I think if you had a tattoo or acupuncture, you

670
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:11.280
can't can't get blood. And I really was in to

671
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:13.360
be fair, I wanted to see what the biscuits were like.

672
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.039
I've heard good things, but never mind.

673
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:19.840
So ritual.

674
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:29.519
I do wonder, to be honest with you, when because

675
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:33.039
when I had I had a shoulder injury two thousand

676
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:38.199
and five and I ended up with two steroid injections.

677
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:44.039
I do wonder what would have happened if they gave

678
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:49.000
you the first steroid injection which did the job, and

679
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.559
they told me you can have one. This will last

680
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.239
you for six months. You can have one every six

681
00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:01.039
months and eventually it will heal anyway, it'll just you know,

682
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:04.480
it'll begin to feel better, but you know, it'll just

683
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:09.599
do the job. And after the first one, the second one,

684
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:10.880
they gave me one which was just.

685
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:14.000
Placebo.

686
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.039
We don't lose like saline or whatever it was that

687
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:25.679
they squirt in. How would that have affected? How would

688
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:32.000
that have what would that have done? Because I genuinely

689
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:35.519
when I went and had the second one, I was

690
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:41.079
genuinely expecting it to work, because the first one I

691
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:46.159
couldn't believe how well it worked. You know, I went

692
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.960
from being like a quite a higher level of what's

693
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:51.360
it two.

694
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:54.440
Practically nothing.

695
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:08.639
And I thought, Wow. I just remember thinking to myself, Wow,

696
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:16.800
one of those wow moments. I do find it interesting

697
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:22.840
that there's there's something about that, you know, we talk

698
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.800
about the acupuncture something about bit of care, a bit

699
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:31.960
of kindness, a bit of attention. So with the you know,

700
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.760
putting the needles on, and with acupuncture, there's also like

701
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:42.800
maybe the talking, maybe some soft music. The relaxation and

702
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:47.559
the gentleness considering its needles is still quite a gentle

703
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:55.760
thing and and it is I guess, quite ritualistic, especially

704
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:58.719
if you have it done more than once, because it

705
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:02.760
will be like you're going through the same process again,

706
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:10.480
even if the needles maybe put in different parts. And

707
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:15.360
I always found it weird when I had Remember I

708
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:24.039
went to this a trainee acupuncturist, and I'm not saying

709
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:27.920
he did it for like half price or twenty quid

710
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.559
or something, and he was a friend of mine, so

711
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:33.400
I was just like, okay, cool, I didn't have much money.

712
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:38.599
He was training, and I remember I'm walking, I see him,

713
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:42.599
I said goodbye and walking down the street.

714
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:43.199
And I hear him yelling.

715
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.639
I'm thinking, oh no, it's realized the money I gave

716
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:51.159
him was a fake twenty And he comes running up

717
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:54.119
to me and I said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He said,

718
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:56.880
what do you mean You're sorry? So that was sorry

719
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:59.760
about the fake twenty. He said fake twenty. I said,

720
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.000
that's way you call him, isn't it.

721
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:01.519
He said no.

722
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:04.599
I said, oh, forget about that. Then I said what

723
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:06.679
is it? He said, you gave me a fake twenty.

724
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:12.880
I said, no, it's joking, he said. I said, why

725
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.519
are you calling me? He said, oh, I forgot to

726
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:18.119
take a needle out. It's still one in your head.

727
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:24.599
So I said, all right, just take it out now

728
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:26.599
if you want. He said no, can we go back inside?

729
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:27.880
I said why?

730
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:32.840
He said, there's too many got too many people around watching.

731
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:35.239
He said, there's too many needles stuck in your head.

732
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:40.559
There's about twenty left. I just forgot about them. How

733
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:43.639
can you forget about needles being stuck in someone's head?

734
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:50.840
And that's the truth. Stop. Well it's a semi true story.

735
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.039
But he did did leave some.

736
01:01:54.039 --> 01:02:00.320
Needles in my head. I'm not sure if you got

737
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.840
them back. I did.

738
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:05.519
Oh one thing I did when I was working while

739
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:11.719
volunteering in a drug rehab center, doing relaxation sessions with groups.

740
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:16.119
And there was a lady there that worked there, and

741
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:25.039
she did ear acupuncture, and she used to put these

742
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:29.920
things on the people's ears and she did it on

743
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.159
me once and it was so weird. It felt strange,

744
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:38.519
like on the ear lobes and.

745
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:39.559
Just looking around.

746
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:42.320
Everyone was like sitting around there at ten fold things

747
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:47.679
on their ears and I was there just talking and

748
01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:51.559
relaxing people like in a group setting. So maybe there's

749
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:56.400
like twelve of us, and she was going around readjusting

750
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:57.239
their ear lobes.

751
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.639
It was just, yeah, so real.

752
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:16.000
Which one of those do you find most fascinating out

753
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:29.039
of the studies? The fake operations? I find, you know.

754
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:32.480
That's just that's just crazy.

755
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:37.320
It seems the more you do, the more you build

756
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:45.719
it up, it's I don't know, it's like I don't

757
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:49.519
want to say the word con con job or like

758
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:53.679
a big it's the long game, you know, the bigger

759
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:58.800
the magic trick is, and the longer it takes, and

760
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.000
the more you put in to it and the more distractions.

761
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:05.039
There are, the bigger it gets.

762
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:08.760
And I went and saw Darren Brown in about two

763
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:12.599
thousand and five to probably two thousand and seven in

764
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:18.000
the theater, and he started his show before we even

765
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:24.880
got into the theater. He had things posted and he

766
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:29.880
was watching people walking into the foyer. He had sort

767
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:36.000
of subliminal stuff in the foyer. He was basically messing

768
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.760
with people with what he even got to their seats,

769
01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:44.400
and he showed it at the end what he had done.

770
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:46.760
And I know for a fact he wasn't showing everything.

771
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:50.360
You know, even the way he showed it how it's done,

772
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:57.880
probably wasn't how it was done. I still find it

773
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:07.599
the weird is so I think the injections of there

774
01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:08.760
are sailing.

775
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.360
Again. That's another thing is like wow.

776
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:23.840
To be able to believe, to really believe that something

777
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:30.079
is going to be useful for you, it can be

778
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:40.000
useful for you. I mean, I think that's one of

779
01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:48.960
the things with the I think with medical practitioners today,

780
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:52.159
they kind of have to be more honest than they

781
01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:52.760
used to be.

782
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:54.719
I don't mean in.

783
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:58.480
A way like they were deceptive, but there's ways of

784
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:04.039
being deceptive which is useful to the patient, which will

785
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:10.360
set the patient up for to have that belief and

786
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:14.119
expectation that things are going to be really good and

787
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:16.599
you know, that kind of side of things.

788
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:19.760
But it seems I.

789
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:23.159
Don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that there

790
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:25.840
seems more of a practice of going through every single

791
01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:33.239
situation that could happen and when someone's in a hospital

792
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:36.400
bed or sitting the other side of a doctor's desk,

793
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:44.480
that person is very susceptible, you know. It is in

794
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:47.519
a sense a little bit like they say, a deer

795
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:53.400
in the headlights. It's especially in a serious sort of scenario.

796
01:06:54.239 --> 01:07:02.280
It's it's whatever the doctor says next is so so

797
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:08.039
important and so powerful. In the same way as if

798
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:11.920
someone as about to have an operation, what the doctor

799
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:14.079
says to them or what the surgeon says to them

800
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:19.960
before they get taken into the theater, it can have

801
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:25.400
such a positive effect or opposite, depends on how they're

802
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:36.559
being talked to, what's been said to them. And then

803
01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:39.320
you know, with beliefs, what do we say to ourselves?

804
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:48.280
What's self limiting? Things do you say to yourself? I

805
01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:51.599
mean that get in the way of you feeling more

806
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:59.280
comfort or relaxed, because when you're listening to me babbling on,

807
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:06.400
you're not thinking in your mind with that same self

808
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:16.840
limiting self talk, because it's not that my voice has

809
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.760
taken over and everything, but it's probably what you're more

810
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:24.199
focusing on should drifting, And when you drift, you're going

811
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:30.039
to be absorbing any positive suggestions or lot of ideas

812
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.439
rather than suggestions. So I'm not giving any suggestions, I'm

813
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:38.119
just talking, but any ideas that you wrap your mind

814
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:51.479
around that can be useful for you, and.

815
01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:57.199
You really can.

816
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:14.359
Notice, you can notice how you feel different, because belief

817
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:21.399
is not mere wish for thinking. It's actually a signal

818
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:31.159
that recruits the parts of your body, your prefrontal, limbic whatever,

819
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:39.359
and mobilizes parts of your brain and your you know,

820
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:44.239
all that stuff that experts know about and rewrites the

821
01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:51.640
brain's predictions about pain. Because if you hold the knowledge

822
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:54.960
that actually what you think affects your brain affects your mind,

823
01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:57.920
and that affects your body.

824
01:09:58.439 --> 01:09:59.399
And when you remember that.

825
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:05.119
You're brain doesn't care if it's real or not. I

826
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:11.920
found that very powerful that sentence. Your brain doesn't care,

827
01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:26.600
it doesn't care. And there's something about that that sticks

828
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:36.439
in my head is it's not bothered. Because Lacebo research

829
01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:39.439
doesn't say that pains all in the mind. It shows

830
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:46.760
that the mind is part of the body's pain control circuitry.

831
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:53.319
So by consciously shaping expectations and ritual or our beliefs

832
01:10:55.880 --> 01:11:00.199
instead of just leaving up to chance, by consciously folkscus

833
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:06.560
on it, we invite the brain's own pharmacy to join

834
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:15.479
the team. There's no side effects, no withdrawal. Just that

835
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:20.439
can be like a quiet ally a friend working in

836
01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:26.520
the background doing what it needs to do. I mean,

837
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:28.479
in a way, we've got that anyway in our brain,

838
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:33.279
all the things that are automatic. Let me think about it,

839
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:44.199
most of our body, pretty much everything is automatic within

840
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.840
the body. You can sit there or lie down and

841
01:11:47.920 --> 01:12:06.039
everything works on its own. So you see, I think

842
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:21.720
it's interesting expectancy. And there's a few things you can do.

843
01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:27.159
You can do things like ritualized self care, so that's

844
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:36.680
a regular, meaningful actions created and to basically make you

845
01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:41.000
feel better, so that it's no different in some ways

846
01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:45.600
to you know, if you clean, you brush your teeth,

847
01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:48.600
if you do certain things in a certain order, and

848
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:53.399
it feels nice to do it like that, and you

849
01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:56.880
get used to doing like that, and you expect your

850
01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:00.520
mouth to feel clean and fresh once you brush your teeth.

851
01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:03.800
You expect it.

852
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:11.359
And there's been times when I've been distracted and I've

853
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:13.600
gone to the door. You know, someone's knocked on the doors.

854
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:18.840
I've just gone in the bathroom and I go to

855
01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:23.000
bed and I'm thinking, oh, I thought i'd clean my

856
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:26.039
teeth because my teeth it maybe I've just got just

857
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:33.720
amazingly fresh breath, but OK, but it was just maybe

858
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.000
you saw the mints that I eat when I'm in sleep.

859
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:43.560
But sometimes expecting There's been times when I've It's not

860
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:45.319
very often if you look at my belly, but it's

861
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:48.279
times when I've forgotten to eat, Like I've just been

862
01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:51.039
so busy doing something and I thought I'd had my

863
01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:55.199
meal and I hadn't, but I didn't miss it because

864
01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:04.279
I kind of just expected to have had it, and

865
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:07.159
because it's almost ritualistic, because it's the same kind of

866
01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:13.680
thing that I would do every day back then, that

867
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:21.159
not a lot of thought goes into it, but you expect.

868
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:24.079
I mean a bit like in sales as well. Those

869
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:33.560
people that expect to do well do well. You know

870
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:40.560
those people in sports, they might have a special coin

871
01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:46.119
or a special ritual that they do before they get

872
01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:48.119
into the ring or before they go on to the

873
01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:55.159
football pitch, something that means something to them, has nothing

874
01:14:55.199 --> 01:15:00.439
to do with what they're doing, not really hm.

875
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:08.359
But has a huge effect on their brain.

876
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:12.800
Believes that it's helping, and he's then he's trying to

877
01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:18.760
catch a fly but your brain believes that those rituals

878
01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:24.840
are helping you. Know, it doesn't matter if it is

879
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:27.600
or not, because your brain believes it. So therefore it

880
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:45.359
is if you believe that rubbing rubbing your knees has

881
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:54.119
an effect on your confidence, then it will. Rubbing your

882
01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:59.920
knees will have an effect on your confidence. M Hm.

883
01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:05.319
It's a weird onen't it. Really.

884
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:16.079
You've got the therapeutic thing as well. So empathy releases

885
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:20.840
endogenous opioids and oxytocin according.

886
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:21.960
To this, So.

887
01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:30.680
Really choose clinicians who take time and validate your experience.

888
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:39.560
So when you're seen a physician or therapy person, find

889
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:41.760
someone that's going to take their time. It's going to

890
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:46.239
be gentle because that can really have an effect, a

891
01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:52.399
positive effect. And it's a practical way of kind of

892
01:16:52.439 --> 01:17:00.399
tapping into the placebo science because ultimately you could you

893
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:02.840
having someone. It may if someone's going to give you

894
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:06.000
an injection into your back, and so let's say someone

895
01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:08.439
had a doctor you can to inject me in my

896
01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:13.600
back with something that's going to help with the the arthritis.

897
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:22.000
It shouldn't really make any difference if it's someone that's

898
01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:25.000
completely cold to me. Just you know, bend over, like no,

899
01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:28.960
send me back, okay, and just like just do the back,

900
01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:32.960
or someone that's being gentle and kind and takes a

901
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:40.039
little bit of time asks me how I am. Make

902
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:43.039
sure that I'm okay with the procedure, and I understand

903
01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:52.079
that I'm going to feel better afterwards, and as opposed

904
01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:58.079
to someone just saying come on, put your shirt up

905
01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:03.640
and just sticking thing and that's it done, goodbye.

906
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:10.079
Next. I had a doctor once.

907
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:13.600
And I joined the surgery, and I've just moved to

908
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:17.560
a different town. It's two thousand and ten, no, two

909
01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:24.680
thousand and seven, and it's really a bit aggressive. Not

910
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:27.640
like it wasn't punching me or anything, but it's like

911
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:29.079
it's like calling me out.

912
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:30.159
Come on, let's say a fight.

913
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:34.560
This fight like no, it wasn't like that. But he said,

914
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:38.279
what medication you want? I said, I don't know. You

915
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.479
have to and he kept going into this big, big

916
01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:45.720
lecture about all of his patients have to know exactly

917
01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:53.000
what medication AM on and like you know what, you know,

918
01:18:53.319 --> 01:19:00.640
it's fairly new medication and I didn't know what it's called.

919
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:02.560
I didn't know what the I knew it was for.

920
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.439
I didn't know what the because some of the names

921
01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:09.800
and medications long in it, like is it based on Latin?

922
01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:14.680
I think it's like ridiculous, some of the names Petrocholean,

923
01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:15.680
Shalumbly move.

924
01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:21.079
Like no, you must know what like not.

925
01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:26.439
I didn't like him after that. I'm sure he was

926
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:28.800
a really good doctor, but it was just a little bit.

927
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:33.159
And then I saw another doctor when he wasn't there.

928
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:36.840
I was stuck with him, but I didn't have to

929
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:41.159
see him, luckily. But then I see another doctor who

930
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:44.880
was there who he wasn't there that day, so I

931
01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:49.479
was lucky. I saw a different doctor and she was lovely,

932
01:19:53.960 --> 01:20:00.159
and she looked at my phone and said oh, and

933
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:02.840
she looked and took a bit of time, said well,

934
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.680
I think we need to refer you. And this is

935
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:10.239
for a different thing to my back, and she really

936
01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:12.680
sort of set the ball rolling for getting me some

937
01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:20.359
help and to be taken I don't know about seriously.

938
01:20:20.359 --> 01:20:29.039
We've just been taken carefully, to be treated gently with respect.

939
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:41.319
And I suppose in a way it's useful if we

940
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:51.600
can aim to do that ourselves, treating ourselves with respect.

941
01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:03.760
I also says on here, Yeah, listening to audio content

942
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:13.079
can also in itself function as a therapeutic ritual. The

943
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:20.079
primes listeners, expectancy of relief. There's a lot of words there.

944
01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:43.039
I still find that interesting, just the old idea of

945
01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:54.640
the brain. The brain doesn't care if you tell. If

946
01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:58.399
you tell the brain, if you tell yourself you're going

947
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:05.319
to feel relaxed, you're gonna feel calm, then I guess

948
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:17.600
that's what's going to happen. You tell yourself that you're

949
01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:20.119
not going to notice Finny jumping up and down trying

950
01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:20.960
to catch that fly.

951
01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:23.760
He loves to fly.

952
01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:28.960
That's his favorite thing. He loves to fly more than

953
01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:33.920
any toy. And he can't catch it. He's never pretty well.

954
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:37.000
He might do one day, but you know, the fly

955
01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:42.640
can but I can fly, caren't it? And he can't

956
01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:47.479
quite reach. He's only tiny, aren't you?

957
01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:49.960
You're tiny, little sausage you.

958
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:51.840
Oh, I said the word sausage.

959
01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:53.920
You're tiny, little doggie.

960
01:22:54.960 --> 01:23:01.359
You're tiny, little doggie. If I say it stops if

961
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:02.680
I say that word s.

962
01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:11.399
You know, and with udge became sauce.

963
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:15.079
Oh no, he's staring at I haven't got any to

964
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:15.479
give him.

965
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:19.359
Don't stare at me like that. I don't have any

966
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:22.399
there's favorite things.

967
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:26.359
My neighbor oppositely, he gets some started packet from the

968
01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:27.199
petrol station.

969
01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.600
No, only like a pound. He loves them.

970
01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:37.279
They're like those really dead I don't know what they

971
01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:42.920
are and more like rubbery. Yeah I don't I wouldn't

972
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:51.439
eat it myself, but he loves them. Right, He's distracted

973
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:54.560
by the fly again, So I'm going to go. So

974
01:23:54.840 --> 01:24:04.159
I hope this has been mildly mildly something. I don't

975
01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:14.520
know what it's something, so I'm going to go. I'm

976
01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:16.239
not sure how focused.

977
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:22.560
This has been. To be honest with you, I don't know,

978
01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:32.800
but you know it's just me talking. So thank you

979
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:33.399
for listening.

980
01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:37.239
Let me know how you get on, and remember to

981
01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:39.640
be kind to yourself because you do deserve to be

982
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:47.000
happy and be gentle with yourself. You deserve to feel safe.

983
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:54.279
Lots of love, bye,