May 6, 2025
(music) (5 hours) Placebo, Belief and Expectation | Let me bore your pain away #32 | Jason Newland | 5th May 2025

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Hello, and welcome was a with we start finish making
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some strange noises. Welcome to Jasonnewland dot com. My name's
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Jason Newland, and this is let me boil your pain away.
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Please only listen when you can safely close your eyes. Also,
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I only listen to this when you know the cause
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of chronic pain and you have permission from your doctor
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to listen to this. Otherwise, please gain permission from your
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doctor or your medical practitioner. This is not a replacement
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for therapy or any medical advice.
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This is just.
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Me chatting about the subject and hopefully, in the process
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helping to reduce the physical discomfort that you've been feeling.
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I'd like to say thank you to those of you
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that listen because these recordings have become I don't want
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to use the word popular because that's a bit overstated,
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but they've definitely become one of my more popular podcasts
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now and yeah, So I appreciate that because I've only
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really been doing regular, regular ones of these more recently,
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and I started doing them. When did I start doing them?
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I'm just going to go back have a quick look.
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The first one I did was eighteenth of August twenty
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twenty two, and then the tenth one I did was
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second of January twenty twenty five.
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So you see that was quite a big.
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I did five in twenty twenty two, and I think
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I did three in twoenty twenty four or three, you know. Anyway,
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so I'm now at number thirty two. Now this is
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the thirty second one, so I've done quite a few
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this year. I think he's making some weird noises. All right,
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I'm distracted, So before I go on, just let you
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know that my website has all my recordings which you
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can stream and download. There's also in the menu you've
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got podcast apps. You've got playlists and podcasts, so you
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can kind of go through lots of different things, thousands
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of recordings, and I've got a Facebook group called Jason
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Newland's Boring Group.
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I may shortly have.
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An Instagram group.
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And what else.
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Oh, I've got a YouTube channel at Jason Newland, which
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is basically every podcast I do goes onto the YouTube
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channel now, so it's another play another place you can
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listen I did. I've got rid of my SoundCloud accounts,
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which I didn't realize was going to have an effect
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on people. So I had a few people contact me.
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I've tried to get them back, but they're deleted now
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that they're gone, but you can listen to me on
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my website. You can listen on all of the major
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apps podcast apps, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, cast Box, all those
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and also on YouTube as well as directly on my website,
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and I post all the new recordings onto my Facebook group. Wow,
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that was a lot of it. So today I.
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Just had the urge. I don't really know what.
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I had the little urge to talk about placebo and belief,
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which may seem like a strange thing to talk about
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when it comes to chronic pain really, but.
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It's yeah, in.
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A sense of like if you give someone a placebo tablet,
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if I can say the word, then you know, is
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it going to have the placebo effect? Probably not, I'd
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say possibly, definitely not because it works because they don't
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they don't know it's a placebo. It's kind of yeah,
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it's logical, I suppose, really, And I thought i'd look
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into this, the placebo effect in chronic pain, just out
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of interest, really, because the placebo effect is something that
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has been and it's still used today in studies, scientific studies,
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medical studies, to find out the efficacy of maybe a
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new medication or a new treatment. And you know, they
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put people into groups give the correct medication too. They
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give medication to all three, but they don't tell the
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three groups who's in whach group. They'll all let the
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same condition. Let's say it's a new diabetic medication, or
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it's a new paying relief for someone with arthritis in
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their foot, for example.
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So you're three groups.
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One gets the new medication, one gets no medication, and
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one gets the glacibo medication. So you got three people.
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That's probably not a good example. I'm not sure if
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the one to get no medication, because that would be Blasibo.
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But so you've got ones that just have no medication
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and to see how the person feels after a week
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or two weeks however, because sometimes people with no medication
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can have effects that are positive as well. Or maybe
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I'll have a one group that has just has the
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old medication, but they won't tell the people what it is,
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so they'll get tablets. So if they listen, they've got
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two groups. I'm not explaining this very well, am I. Yeah,
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So you've got both two groups, both getting place, both
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getting tablets. I should have thought this through before I started.
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I thought about it in my head for about five minutes,
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and which shows you how much effort I go into.
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One group has the new medication, one group has the placebo.
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Now neither of them know which they're going to get,
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and then they judge about whether or not it works.
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And it's like this new.
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Drug that's supposed to be really useful, and they test it,
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and the placebo generally always get a high level as
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well high level of success. Now, I think if the
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people are told there's two groups, one of you is
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going to get the new medication, one of you group
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is going to get the placebo. I think if someone's
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told that there's a fifty percent chance that they're going
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to get a placebo, which would just be like a
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sugar pill, which has nothing. Mind you, a pill full
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of sugar would be quite nice unless you're diabetic. And
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I'm kind of on the cusp of diabetes at the moment,
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so I love sugar, but it doesn't love me that
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you see the size of my back anyway, So if
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you notice a fifty percent of the placebo, how's that
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going to affect the outcome?
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It's a weird one.
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But anyway, I kind of done a little bit of research,
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a little bit of had a little look, kind of
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a roots up exploration of how placebos can help to
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relieve chronic pain, and sort of looking into psychology, neurobiology
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and some clinical data. I'm just like looking looking through
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it and just.
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Seeing what comes up. Now.
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When I first started learning about hypnosis and learning about MLP,
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which is new a linguistic programming, placebo is mentioned a lot.
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The idea that actually.
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Telling someone that a sugar pill is just the pill
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that they get being given is a new wonder drug
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and if the person really believes it.
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Because it's about.
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Belief as well. So that's one kind of looking at
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placebo and belief. Because about belief, the placebos doesn't have
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the power. Placebo needs that energy of belief. And that's
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Finny in the background, chomping on a chewy, bony thing
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in case you're wondering what the noise is in the background.
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In a way, hypnosis is reliant upon I would say,
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I don't know. It's not reliant on belief, but there's
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the more belief you have. For example, if you listen
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to me regularly, maybe you've listened to me for years.
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Do another different recordings. Maybe you've been listening to these
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recordings for years, although there was quite a big gap
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between each recording, and you're a regular listener, or you
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become a regular listener, You're going to expect to feel
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more relaxed. You're going to expect me to come out
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with some weird things as well, which I'm going to do.
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I'm going to say some stuff that you won't normally
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hear in these kinds of recordings.
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But you're also.
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That expectation is mixed with belief because you believe what
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is expectation other than you believe something's going to happen.
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You believe that you're going to have you're going to
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feel a certain way. So to say you expect to
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feel relaxed, is you believe you're going to feel relaxed.
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You expect to.
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For the part of your body that was troubling you
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before to feel more comfortable. Is that you believe that
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you're going to feel more at ease and more peaceful
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and loose and calm in that part of your body.
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So that's kind.
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Of what expectation is, really, isn't it. It's just belief
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and so placebo and belief.
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As well.
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It's kind of the same word is seebow is expectation.
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It's expecting something to happen, something positive to happen, because
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you believe that it's going to happen. So you expect
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to feel relaxed in your body. You expect your mind
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to calm down and become slower, your thoughts slowing down
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and almost to the point where you realize they're not
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necessarily needed right now. As you focus on my voice.
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You expect that and you believe it's going to happen
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because it's happened before. Maybe you know it's like a
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I don't know what it's self fulfilling prophecy or something
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like that. I'm not sure if prophecies.
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The right word.
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That sounds way too spiritual, way to.
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Esoteric for me.
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So I think everyone knows what the word placebo means,
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but I'll mention it just in case I should see
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what the correct definition of is in the dictionary. So
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look a place A placebo effect is the portion of
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symptom change produced by the psychosocial context of treatment, expectations, conditioning,
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therapeutic ritual, rather than by any direct pharma pharmacological or
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physical action of the treatment itself. Wow, I said mouthful,
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wasn't it.
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So it's based and you think about it.
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Yeah, placebo has a lot to do with healing anyway.
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So if someone goes to have an operation hip replacement,
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for example, and they're expecting to feel relief when they
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wake up after the operation, they're expecting to feel grateful
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because they're no longer going to be having that discomfort
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that they used to have. They're expecting to.
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Be walking.
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They're going to imagine themselves walking freely again soon with
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a bit of rehabilitation, a little bit of rest, a
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little bit of exercise, physiotherapy, whatever. But their expectation is
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positive and a belief is there that it's just a
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very positive situation. And because it's such a I'm not
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going to say simple operation, it's just a very often
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done operation. Millions of them are done around the world
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every year. So it's one of those almost like just
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a stand it's almost.
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Like having your tonsils out.
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Now it's not, but you know what I mean, It's
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like the fear that would have been there fifty forty
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years ago doesn't need to be there anymore because it's
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you can literally knock on the doors in your street
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and probably find two or three people have had their
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hip replaced, hip replaced, hips replaced, if I can get
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the words out, I mean, you might only live in
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a small road, So maybe not in that road, but
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just on my little estate where I live, I've met
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three people that had their hips replaced. It's kind of
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more of a standard thing these days. So when you
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expect the recovery, when you expect to feel calm and
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to feel that relief, then your healing is going to improve.
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And that belief is technically a placebo effect because you've
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almost tort yourself into believing that during or before, during
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and after the operation you're going to be fine. And
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every stage, every step of that process leads you towards freedom,
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leads you towards where you want to be, where you're
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looking forward to being. So it's kind of powerful that
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I quite like that, you know the idea that we
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actually use that placebo effect on ourselves, and it's more
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powerful when we do it on ourselves. But it doesn't
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seem like a placebo effect.
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Because it's real.
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It's not a Litways sugar tablet. It's not a fake,
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fake medicine. No one's tricking you. No one's pulling the
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covers over your eyes that you know what I mean.
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No one's like manipulating you. You're and you're not manipulating yourself.
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You're not tricking yourself. You just believe, based on the
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evidence you have, everything's going to work out fine. And
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when you've got that belief and that expectation that when
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you wake up from the operation, you're going to actually
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feel relaxed and calm, and you'll almost feel that part
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of your body healing, like it's healing in front of you.
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You're observing it heal. So that feeling that maybe before
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you would perhaps have given it a name, you know,
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the thing would begin with P. Maybe you experienced that
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physical sensation in a different way, so it's now begins
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of h healing. I did notice years ago this is weird.
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I had a really dodgy back for my upper back,
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not my lower back. So I got our frights on
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my lower back, but my upper back was problematic, and I.
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