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Hello and welcome to... Let Me Bore You To Sleep. Please only listen when you can safely close your eyes. Vinnie, he is giving me hassle.
I've just been to the petrol station and I've bought a sandwich. For me. For me! And I've given him his food.
I gave him a treat first, then I gave him his food. And now he's whining because he wants me to give him my sandwich. Why are you whining? Now I hope it's not because he needs a toilet because then I'm really not a very good daddy, am I? But... What's up, mate? Oh, bloody... Oh, it's getting a little bit chilly in here now.
So yeah, I... what did I do? Yeah, I just went and put my food in the fridge. I thought he might need the toilet. So I just stand in there saying, what do you need? What do you need, baby boy? He looked at me.
And normally, if you want something in a bag that's over there, let's say, he normally looks over there to let's me know that. To let's me know. To let me know.
This chair's getting squeakier every day. Oh, so I... oh, yesterday was a long day. Long, long day.
The boxing started... well, I was up at about four o'clock anyway to work. So I spent about four hours editing and all this stuff for the Q&A Friday podcast episode. And then I went back to bed for a while, got up.
And before I knew it, the day was gone. And I was going to make my recording at like two o'clock, but I ended up making it during the boxing, because I had people knocking on the door and stuff like that. And the boxing started at four, didn't finish till... I'm not sure exactly what time it finished, to be honest.
It was late. I got into bed minutes before 1am. And what I did after boxing had finished, I didn't even see the post interviews really much after.
I took Vinnie out to do his last wee of the day. And then I went to bed, basically. And I know that it was just before one because I normally listen to Nick Abbott on LBC radio.
And he's on from 10 to one in the evening. I listen every Friday and Saturday, usually Sunday night as well. So what I did is I rewound it to the chat.
And what's he doing? Right, he's licking himself. I think he might have picked up a couple of creepy crawlies in the long grass, which he did last year. It got silly.
They weren't even... I let him off. I shouldn't have let him off. But we just got back from the park.
So I was going to the petrol station. And on the way, I saw this little tail going into the park entrance. And I knew it was Archie.
And he knew, but he couldn't see him. He just could smell. He kept smelling the grass and then running ahead, then smelling some more grass and then running ahead.
And he's running into the park ahead of me. So I just... Archie was off the lead and I thought, oh, let's see what they do. Because he's never run out of the park when he's with Archie, ever.
He always stays with him. So I thought I'd give it a go. And it worked out okay.
But we added discussion with Archie's mum. And apparently, all dogs do need to have tags on. Like little tags with the address and everything.
So I need to get one of them. I just didn't realize. I saw it yesterday on some website I was looking at.
It's weird now that I'm noticing the dogs have got tags. I didn't notice it before. It's like that sometimes, isn't it? I remember, yeah, there was this, there was a volcano in Iceland or Greenland.
I think it was Iceland, like years and years ago, like probably... Oh, my stomach's churning. It's time for food. It's probably about 10 years, maybe longer, to be honest, probably... Ah, really? 2010, maybe? Maybe 2012? Maybe before that? And we were in the garden at my dad's.
On a Sunday, I think it was, or Saturday. And I remember saying to my stepsister, you notice anything different? And she said, what? I said, look in the sky. She said, what? Do you not notice it? She said, what? I said, there's no planes.
And she looked. She looked again. She looked to the left, looked to the right.
She said, so? I said, there's no planes. There'd normally be planes, wouldn't there? She said, I don't know. What do you mean, you don't know? I've never looked up before.
No, she didn't say that. She said, oh, that's weird. I said, yeah, you know why? No.
I said, it's because of the volcano. In, I don't know, maybe it was in Scotland or Germany, somewhere like that. And the ash from the volcano had just sent all this ash into the sky and there was no planes.
All the planes were halted in this part of the world. Although Iceland is not really very close. I mean, we do have an Iceland just up the road, but I mean, the actual volcano, Iceland, it's not close to this country.
But it grounded all the planes. I don't know if it was the whole of Europe. I'm not sure.
It's very strange. It wasn't just there was no, there was no planes, but there's no trails, you know, little slug cloudy trail things that airplanes leave. There's none of them.
And it was a blue sky. It was a really nice day. I don't know if it was, um, I don't think it's spring time or summertime.
And sometimes normally the time that we would be in the garden. So, but I'd say it's between, I reckon about May, June, or July, one of those three months. I could look it up.
Shall I look it up? Just to see if I actually remember correctly. Not that I've really been specific about anything. So okay.
Europe planes grounded, grounded. So let's have a look. Oh, we see the first thing that comes up.
In response to concerns that volcanic ash ejected during the 2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull in Iceland would damage aircraft engines, the controlled airspace of many European countries was closed to instrument flight rules traffic. This is just one sentence blindly resulting in what at the time was the largest air traffic shutdown since World War Two. Yeah, that was a big deal.
It's 2010. So that's 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. That's over six years.
You know, my stomach gurgling. It really like feed me. No, wait your turn.
I think he had his way. He'd have all the sandwiches himself. He'd eat everything.
Bless him. He's okay now. Now the carrier bag's not there on the chair with the food inside.
He's not bothered by it. But that temptation, that smell, I guess that he could just, oh, he wanted it so bad. Now he's forgotten all about it.
Sunset is coming. It's zero. It's 9.02 p.m. No, it's not.
Oh, it's 8.02 p.m. No, it's 8.09 p.m. But sunset is coming at 9.02 p.m. Just come onto the computer screen. I was gonna say, I didn't think it was nine o'clock yet. So nine minutes past eight.
I tell you my favorite thing about this time of year. It's different to what it used to be. When I was younger.
Yeah, it used to be different. And I was a lot slimmer then. So I could, I was a lot more comfortable in the summer.
I don't know if you can hear my stomach. Honestly, it's annoying me now. Stop it.
I might have to have a biscuit. Wait a sec. So yeah, 2010.
I thought I remember that correctly. I'm quite pleased with myself. Now this will not be a epically long recording because I need to have my dinner.
I'm already in bed by 10 o'clock, which is most days to be honest. And I'm up at like four or five. But today I woke up at five because I didn't go to bed till 11.
And I was still tired then to be honest. It's really see I think what's good. I mean, it's amazing.
Could you make any more noise Vinnie? Can you hear that? Crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch. Can you hear that? He said shut up. Stop it.
He oh yeah so started at four o'clock. I think before that I watched a documentary about the lineage of heavyweights. So I spent about an hour watching that as well yesterday afternoon.
And going all from I don't know Bob Fitzgerald, I don't know what to forget the names were you know, all the way back to but it's not lineage because the lineage only really works if in their words, the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man or the woman who'd be the woman who'd be the woman who'd be the woman, you know.
So it only works if every single world champion has been beaten. You know they retired after they got beat.
But that doesn't happen. It happens a lot. It doesn't happen every time.
So there's quite a few heavyweight champions that have retired still the champion, even those that haven't retired undefeated. But Lennox Lewis was still the world champion when he retired. And I'm trying to think.
Oh, yeah, Andre Ward was the world champion when he retired. Kawasaki was the champion when he retired. He was unbeaten.
Andre Ward was unbeaten. And Rocky Marciano retired world champion and he was unbeaten. Terry Spinks retired.
He was unbeaten and he was a world champion. So there's quite a few along the way. So the lineage is broken, especially with the heavyweights.
The lineage is definitely broken because Muhammad Ali lost his title, got stripped. And when he was banned from playing boxing, you know, during his refusal to go to the Vietnam War. And then, I mean, technically, Mike Tyson, he and both Larry Holmes got beaten by Michael Spinks.
And Michael Spinks didn't fight for a couple of years. In that time, other people fought for the world titles, heavyweight titles. Tyson came along and cleaned up everything and won all the titles that were available at the time.
But then he fought Larry Holmes because they didn't class him as the lineal world champion. They classed Michael Spinks as the lineal world champion because he hadn't been beaten. He won the world title from, what's his name? Holmes.
And Holmes had won it from whoever he won it from. I can't remember who he won it from. And they're, you know, they're going on from there and there.
So Mike Tyson knocked out both Holmes and Michael Spinks in the same night. Can you imagine if you didn't know anything about boxing, and you might believe that, and you have a conversation in the future, and you say, no, no, no. Michael Tyson, he beat Holmes and Spinks in the same night.
And people are saying, no, no, that didn't happen. Yeah, it did. Yeah, it did.
But you didn't. It didn't at all. But I noticed that about life as I was getting older, as I was, especially once I'd left school, I started to realize how much BS there is out there.
How much absolute rubbish people say. Now I say rubbish, I talk rubbish, but there's a reason for why I do it. Because I'm a liar.
And that's a good reason, as any. There's a lot of, I noticed that older people, especially older men, almost start trying to impress me. And I guess other younger, younger men.
Oh, this is what it used to be like. And this is what you should do. When a lot of it was just absolute rubbish.
I'm trying to think of an example, to be honest with you. What's an example? Oh, by the way, did you see Molly's? Molly put a post on the Jason Newland's boring group on Facebook, join now. And saying something like, Oh, let me read it.
I'll read it to you. I can't I know what it said roughly, but I don't remember the exact wording. And because I'm quite pedantic, I like to like to get things correct.
Too much vagueness in life. That's what I think. Molly, she posted.
Go to Oh, Molly, by the way, she's the boss. She's the admin of the group. Go to one minute now one hour, seven, seven, seven, one hour, seven minutes, 50 seconds in the latest latest q&a, Q&A Friday for a special singing performance by the one and only Jason Newland.
And let's have a little listen because I couldn't remember singing anything. And to be honest, it was pretty spectacular. I was very, very surprised that just how phenomenal I am vocally.
It surprised even me. Yeah. I do have a question.
So I'm going to answer it as well. I've got a question from Well, I'm kind of answering actually, I'm Christine says, what did you think of the result of the fight? She posted that on yesterday's podcast? Well, yeah, I'm going to talk about that. So I, it went on for too long, not the fight, but the whole evening.
It's and I do feel a little bit ungrateful for being like that, because so many boxing bills will just have one fight that I want to watch, like the headliner. And the others would be people I've never seen before. But occasionally, you'll see someone that's really good and up and come in.
And that's what kind of that's what makes people popular. Like when Nigel Ben, Nigel Ben was coming up and Mike Tyson was coming up. I remember 1985, seeing both of those on TV.
And a program called seconds out. And I think it was 1985 1986 seconds out TV. So let's have a look.
It was seconds out BBC sitcom wasn't guess it was. Nope. Seconds out.
Oh, you know what? I might I might have the wrong the wrong name then. It was a boxing TV boxing seconds out. Seconds out TV program.
80s feel so old sometimes. It's not seconds out. It's a sitcom.
No. Come on. And tell me I was watching a sitcom.
I think it was about boxing. timeline of boxing and UK television. No.
Okay. Well, it was there was definitely a program on about boxing. Okay, so this is a fact.
I don't care what anyone says. It's true. But isn't necessarily called it wasn't it might not be called seconds out.
But it's a good name for a boxing show, clearly because the sitcom was made about with that name. So I don't know. Anyway, we saw the used to get to see I remember 1985 I'd watch it.
And there'd be all the build up towards the heckler Hearns fight. And then there's the build up towards the other is the build up toward but towards the Michael Spinks Larry Holmes fight, and the second one they had. And then there is the build up.
I remember the build up between Michael Spinks and Jerry Cooney before he fought for the world title. So what it would do sometimes I didn't get to see the whole fight, but it would show clips of the fight, especially and it was good if it was like a really short fight and it only lasted for a round that show the whole fight. So it might be highlights like a highlight show.
And often the really big stars would be shown. So such as main, not just Americans, but those showing Nigel Benn, because Nigel Benn, Brian May, Nigel Benn was on his way up at that time. And I don't know when he started.
Nigel Benn. I was looking at his Wikipedia page earlier. His first professional fight was okay.
Well, I'm clearly wrong because 1987 was his first fight. I did see it. I just didn't see it.
When I thought I saw it, I thought was 1986. I see see him. And unless it was it was a thing talking about him.
No, no, no. I tell you why he was being why they were taking notice because 12345678. He basically knocked out his first 22 opponents, which is pretty much unheard of.
So between January 1987 and May 1989, 20s in nowadays, if you did 22 knocked out 22 opponents, you would be especially if he was in America, or Mexico or like some American, quite close to America country. We even in this country, to be honest, you'd be either fought for a world title by now probably. But back then.
Yeah, it wasn't the case. And he did lose to Michael Watson in 1989. I remember watching that.
I watched that I think for the black and white TV portable TV. When I lived above the co-op. Yep, May 1989.
Yep, April May. Well, maybe made. Yeah, probably, probably.
And then maybe, I think so. 89. 89.
No, no, I watched that. I was staying in. Yeah.
That wasn't above the co-op. It was just up the road, living with one of the customers of the co-op. If I was friends with a daughter, and the mother is used to come in as well as friends with a daughter and used to babysit.
And her mom gave me a room to stay in. Yeah, so I lived there. They lived around the corner from each other.
So that and that's where I I mean, that's where I saw delirious for the first time, you know, the Eddie Murphy, live concert movie. I got that out on video. And yeah, I just there's certain things I remember.
I think I saw It's a Wonderful Life for the first time, when I was living above the co-op. There's certain TV things, TV moments that I remember over the years. And see, like with the boxing.
I remember watching the two build up fights towards Hagler-Herns. Because Hagler-Herns was, was it 86? Hagler-Herns. Hagler-Herns.
It was, Hagler-Herns. Oh, what's the date? 1985. Really? April 1985.
So it's a year before I left school. That don't seem right. Which means I was into really into boxing for a lot longer than I realized.
Because I thought I got into boxing really kind of, I suppose it makes sense because it's a year before. It's that it was the last year that I lived in that house. Like the childhood house kind of.
But I was there between the ages of nine and 15. So 1985, April, I was 14. Yeah, I used to be 14 once.
And wow, I wonder where I watched it. I wonder if I watched it with my dad. Where would I have watched it? Because it was on in the middle of the night.
Because in America, so it would have been on early hours, like four o'clock in the morning. How would I have watched it? Because I did watch it. Unless it was on, they showed it early in the morning.
And I stayed up and watched it on my TV, or woke up early to watch it on my TV. How weird. So I also remember the two fights, because Hagler and Herns both had fights previous to that, obviously, because they're both world champions, but they had fights previous.
And the whole thing was to building up, building up to this fight, because at this point, I think Hagler had already fought out of the four, he'd fought two out of four already. Like the four greats, the four kings, they call them. So Hagler, Marvin Hagler.
Actually, I know I've mentioned this before, Marvin Hagler was introduced because his nickname was Marvelous Marvin Hagler. And one day an announcer forgot to mention it, just said Marvin Hagler. And he was a world champion at this point.
And he said, My name's Marvelous Marvin Hagler. He said, No, it's not. It's Marvin Hagler.
So he went, he literally, the next day, again, I'm just adding a bit of drama, but he went and changed his name by deed poll to Marvelous Marvin Hagler. You think I'm joking? I'm not. I bet you if I look it up, bet you Marvin Hagler.
Okay. He was born Marvin Nathaniel Hagler, 1954. And let me have a look.
Let me have a look. Let me have a look. I bet you he, I didn't know this.
Okay. So he changed his name. Early career world title.
I was not mentioning it. But it's true. It's an actual career.
Okay. He holds a record for the sixth longest reign of the champion middleweight history. Nicknamed Marvelous.
Nicknamed Marvelous and annoyed that network announcers often did not refer to him as such. Hagler legally changed his name to Marvelous Marvin Hagler in 1982. See, he didn't have any ego or anything.
It just, it was the weird thing about Marvin Hagler. A lot of people don't realize. And quite a few champions is he wasn't, although he seemed unbeatable.
I know he got beaten by Sugar Ray Leonard in his last fight. And apparently he wanted a rematch, but Leonard retired again. And so I thought Hagler retired.
Well, he did retire, but I thought that's why he retired. Because he didn't want to fight anymore because he'd lost. And I'm pretty sure at the time, because they fought in 1987.
At the time, I actually thought that Marvin Hagler had never been beaten. Well, I was wrong. He had 67 fights.
Again, this is phenomenal when you think about it. When you think about how good he was. He had one draw in the first 26 fights.
And in his, so 26 fights didn't even get a chance to fight for a world title. And then he lost in his 27th fight, majority decision, and then lost in his 29th fight, unanimous decision. So he must have had a couple of, well, a bad year that year.
He won one, actually had quite a few fights that year. But then he came back June. So that was, so he lost January 1976, one February, lost March, one June, one August, one September, one December.
So he was fighting a lot. But he didn't get his first world title shot. Can you believe until his 50th fight 50th.
So he had to, from losing his 29th fight, he had to have another 20 wins before he could fight for the world title against Vito Ontofermo, who was a really, really good, really, really famous middleweight at the time, 1979. But it was a draw, split decision draw. And then he had one, two, three, three more fights.
And then he was allowed to fight for the world title. His 54th fight. Now, those that know Hagler, Marvin Hagler, maybe not older people than me, but sort of my kind of age, or people that remember the 80s, let's say, old people.
Maybe a bit like me for Hagler, he was successful right from the start, he won the world title, he held it for between 1980 and 1987, which is a heck of a long time to hold a world title. And it wasn't just one, you know, it's like, wow. But he didn't get a chance, he didn't win it until his 54th fight.
54th fight. Most boxers never have that many fights in their whole career. I mean, even 26 fights in his 27th fight when he lost for the first time.
A lot of world title people, they don't even have that many fights. So 1973 to 19, when did he win the world title? 1980. That's over five years.
It's a long time. And his class is one of the greatest ever. Well, anyway, as I was saying, when he fought against Hearns, he'd already fought, what are the four kings? Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard and Duran Duran, Roberto Duran.
So Marvin Hagler had already fought Duran and beaten him on points. So next was Hearns, who he knocked out. And next was Sugar Ray Leonard, not next, but next out of the four, out of three opponents.
And his last opponent was Sugar Ray Leonard, who beat him on points. And it's weird because all of them fought each other. So you got Hagler, he fought all three of them.
I'm trying to get rid of, I'm trying to get rid of the thumb. So he fought all three. Sugar Ray Leonard fought Hagler and beat him.
Leonard fought Hearns and knocked him out. So Hearns, so Leonard knocked out Hearns. Hearns and then Duran.
Leonard fought Duran, beat him on points the first time. The second time, and so won his world titles the second time, Duran turned his back and said no more because he, no mess. Because he, he was fed up with all the playing around and the silliness that Leonard was doing.
So because he wanted to fight and Leonard wouldn't get involved in a punch up. So that was it. Then you got Hearns.
He knocked out Duran, lost to Sugar Ray Leonard and lost and got knocked out by Hagler. And then he fought Leonard for a second time and there was a draw. And then Leonard, no then Duran.
Duran fought, so you've already got most of this anyway. So Duran fought Hagler, went the distance but lost on points. He fought Hearns, got knocked clean out.
He fought Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Leonard couldn't hurt him. But he got outboxed in the second fight between him was just classed as a, well as a loss because he walked away. So there's a documentary called The Four Kings and they were the four of, because they were such huge stars at the time and that every fight they had was just these big money fights that was happening.
And for me, I know there was fights earlier on like the Leonard Hearns, the Leonard Duran and the Hagler Duran, all those fights. I didn't see those fights because that was earlier on when I was younger and didn't have access to the TV, didn't even know, wasn't really, I didn't really follow boxing. So I guess I really didn't follow it properly till about 1984.
1984? Yeah, probably about 1984 because I used to watch, I did watch the Ali fight again. Actually it was before 1984, what am I talking about? I was a huge fan of Frank Bruno. So I used to listen to his fights on the radio if they weren't on telly.
So yeah I don't know, I just forget. I forget. So Frank Bruno, I can tell you, the fight I remember, I'm just going to bring him up.
The first fight that I really remember of his was against Jerry Kutsia and Jerry Kutsia was a former world champion and I also remember he fought Joe Bugner and I remember he fought Witherspoon for the world title. I didn't see the Bonecrusher Smith defeat but I did see the, the first fight I remember seeing him was Jerry Kutsia. But I think I used to hear them on the radio but I listened.
So this is March 1986. So I was just about still living in a family home. So I remember listening to it on the radio in the evening.
It was at Wembley. I'm reading it there it says Wembley and there's a big build-up because Jerry Kutsia in this March, 4th of March 1986 and Jerry Kutsia was a former world champion. I'm just going to check to see if I'm correct.
I might be wrong. I might be wrong. Oh yeah.
So he fought for the world title one twice. John Tate lost to unanimous decision 79. Knocked out by Mike Weaver again for the WBA heavyweight title.
That was 1980. 1980 and then in 1983 he beat Michael Doakes to win the world title. The WBA heavyweight title and then he lost it in 1984 against Greg Page.
Knocked out but he had some good fights even after that. But he was one of the old ones that came back in the 90s with Larry Holmes came back. George Foreman came back.
Jerry Cooney came back. I think quite a few people stuck around. I think even Witherspoon came back and they took like in the 90s the people that were from the past and he was one of them because he had his last fight in 1997.
Knocked out by Aram Barkley and and funny enough it was for the vacant WBB heavyweight title. So okay I don't know what that is. But he fought Frank Bruno at Wembley 1986 and he got knocked out in the first round.
And the weird thing about it I remember this. I was going to say really clearly but no not clearly but I do remember it. A lot of people seemed to think that he was going to get knocked out but Bruno was going to get knocked out by Kutia because he was such um I don't know because I guess he oh he passed away last year.
Blimey so he I didn't know really much about him but because he'd fought for the world title twice and won it well three times and then won it the third time. He was oh blimey I can't believe this Michael Dokes. What did he do? Oh 1999 don't don't blimey.
Former world champion and then he went on to do some naughty stuff and went to prison. 15 years wow okay let's move away from that. So Frank Bruno so he won that fight but then he did the next one the next big one that I remember was when he fought it wasn't the next Jerry Kutia Oh Tim Witherspoon.
Blimey so Joe Buckner was 1987. So I remember the Tim Witherspoon fight I watched it and I could not believe I couldn't believe it. I must have I don't know where I know if I was when I watched it but I watched it anyway and 19th for July 1986 for the WBA heavyweight title and I had this idea right it just shows you how little I knew back then.
I thought that Bruno Frank Bruno would easily win because Tim Witherspoon was um should we say podgy? He didn't have the physique that Frank Bruno had. You've got to remember I was 15 at the time and I really couldn't see how someone that I at the time I classed him as a fat man but he wasn't fat he was just big and Tim Witherspoon was a really really talented boxer and he held the world title twice.
You don't get to win a world title twice and well not even once unless you're really good so he won it twice and he he knocked Bruno out in the 11th round and I remember even now I remember maybe I didn't see it maybe I heard listened to on a radio and then someone at work videotaped it for me to watch I don't know and there there was this a bloke that I used to work with he used to be in the chip shop he used to work in a chip
shop as well he was one of the friars and he was in charge when he was there he was an adult and I used to look after his kids so him and his wife could go out it wasn't a lot but he'd do a deal he'd say well if you I'll I'll record the fight from last night and you can watch it so come around and watch it and their kid was already in bed so and they came home they weren't out for long I don't think but it was quite
difficult to keep everyone quiet to not tell me especially when it was the a big fight I can't remember I my memory is the Hearns-Hagler fight being 1986 not 1985 or 90 when did when was 1984 1985 Hagler-Hearns come on let's go back let's go back to Hagler-Hearns that's it Hagler-Hearns 1985 the Hagler-Hearns fight April why did I think it was 1985 so 1985 yeah because I left school in 1986 April that's weird I don't know I just thought it was later than that but hmm there's gotta be there's a
I know that Sugar Ray Leonard fought Le Lundi and there were some fights in 1986 and 97 well not let's say 1986 87 yeah probably between 86 and 87 but that would have been when I was living above the shop and I moved above the chip shop and I moved in there spring 1987 so let's see what the biggest biggest boxing fights 1987 come on what have we got here Marvis Marvin Hagler against Sugar Ray Leonard yeah so that'll be it so that's the one that I was pretty much that's
yeah I went around and watched that around his house he recorded it so I guess it must have been on normal TV late at night which makes you wonder why wasn't I watching it why didn't I just stay up unless I was dedicated to the job but I could have got up earlier could have gone to bed early got up at four instead of seven just a few hours early and watched it I don't know I don't remember it's a long time ago anyway one of the fights I do remember
Frank Bruno well I remember every fight all the major ones that he had but fighting for the world title with Spoon so he lost that one he fought against Lennox Lewis they fought Mike Tyson next not next but he lost against Mike Tyson then he fought Lennox Lewis and he lost against Lennox Lewis for the world title which was in I don't even remember anyone Frank Bruno Bruno it's quite weird though because if you put in Bruno Frank Bruno comes up no it doesn't film Bruno comes up it wouldn't have
done what oh come on it's clearly not a British you know bing bing why is it where's Google gone oh dear so Frank Bruno he fought what on earth Frank Bruno sports shooter really okay that's I'll put it in the right so he fought Tim Witherspoon 1986 1989 he fought Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis 1993 so lost all those three fights that he when he fought for the world title and I remember when he won the world title in the second of the second of September 1995 at Wembley Stadium he did
a lot of Wembley Stadiums and he beat Oliver McCall I remember getting I was in a pub in it was in Stratford and there was a bunch of us from work all there watching it and the pub was so full and I don't think it was even a big screen you know it was like I think it was like a tv behind the bar almost like a karaoke tv that kind of thing it wasn't small it wasn't like huge and the atmosphere is the best atmosphere I've ever been in in
a pub never been a big fan of pubs you know I don't never found that alcohol brings the best out in most people that I've met you know it's it can sometimes but you know hmm but that was great seeing my hero Frank Bruno yeah it was just a really nice memory of uh watching him watching Bruno my hero because he used to be on tv before I even saw him as a boxer he used to be like a celebrity really famous in the UK and he used to be on
lots of the tv shows the Saturday night shows and things like that really funny and that's how I knew him because I hadn't seen him really in the ring until I was more kind of teenage years because he started boxing in 82 his first professional fight he was already a celebrity um before he before he long before he won a world title long before he fought for the first world title he was a celebrity and yeah it was such a great evening watching him win the world title having followed him
for you know what from 1984 until when did he win it 1995 so it's 11 years and I still followed him after that but he lost unfortunately to Mike Tyson the second time and then he retired but he was one of the first people ever to rock Mike Tyson and that was back in 1989 and I actually had I was the only person that had any faith in my in uh Frank Bruno winning against Mike Tyson everyone else said no Mike's gonna win Tyson's gonna win he's indestructible and I thought
yeah but Frank Bruno has pretty much knocked out nearly every single person he's ever fought apart from the people that beat him he's had a couple of um as he had did he have any TKO TKO TKO retired KO KO KO KO KO KO KO his first points win was in win 26 I mean he lost in number 22 but every other fight that he won he won by knockout apart from number 25 where he won by points and then it's the only fight that ever went to points apart from
when he won the world title in his 44th fight and every other fight he had was a knockout either he got knocked out or they got knocked out every fight so it's amazing really when you think about it and I realize I've not talked about the the actual fight that happened well my take on it is this Usyk won fair and square Tyson Fury he did a lot in that fight but he didn't do I mean he he Tyson Fury got hurt in one round but really he Usyk was knocking
him all around the ring and it should have got stopped I think if it'd been any other fight it would have got stopped by the referee because he was he shouldn't have been took that many punches unanswered that's my personal opinion and that's more for the safety more than anything else and also I've watched thousands of fights and they rarely let it go that much that long so yeah it was Usyk won fair and square if I think Tyson Fury's corner should have told him especially in the last two rounds
that you had to really put much more put more work in because even Fury said himself that as far as he was aware he was winning and that's why he's playing around in the last round instead of going for it so we just have to wait it's uh they're supposed to have a rematch whether they will or not I don't know but I think I don't know why people are so surprised that Usyk who was the Olympic gold medallist he won all the belts unified the cruiserweight belts and then came
and then went up to heavyweight and beat Anthony Joshua twice who is arguably one of the best heavyweights of our generation of this generation like in the last 10 years let's say one of the best so he beat him twice defended it um once or twice and then defended against Tyson Fury and won on points so what does he have to do to gain respect as a heavyweight champion I mean he's won all the belts the first person has done that since well for 25 years apparently Lennox Lewis was the
last person that held all the belts that were available at that time 25 years ago and it's really weird because I remember 25 years ago and I think is when he fought Evander Holyfield the second time so because the first one was a draw so I just think oh give him a break he won that's what he was saying in the post fight thing you know in the conference I won and they were asking questions do you think you should have got stopped in round nine when you had Tyson Fury
on the ropes and they did a standing count and he said I won and I said do you think you do you think all that stuff he kept saying I won do you want a rematch I won I don't kidding actually oh no wait a minute it's like it doesn't matter and he said like five months away from his family so now he's going to go home and enjoy it enjoy being the heavyweight champion you know unanimous champion of the world unified good luck to him because you know that losing
to someone like him it's not even a loss I mean it is a loss but it's like and it wasn't like you know Tyson Fury wasn't he wasn't humiliated he wasn't you know he didn't get knocked out not that there's any humiliation in that but he's and he made huge amounts of money and he can and he's gone he's got in his clause his contract he's got a rematch clause so he has to have a rematch with him otherwise it'll be a court case and it'll cost you millions or he
could get he could lose his belts this is weird this but yeah I'm not sure if I want to see a rematch to be honest I don't know I definitely I mean I don't want to see well maybe I do I don't really want to see Joshua fight Usyk again because they've done two but after seeing Joshua recently he is I don't know maybe he's style is a little bit different now I don't know maybe he's got back to how he used to be I think the thing with Usyk is
he is always moving and he's although he's not a little guy he is the little guy in a lot of his heavyweight fights because just in not just physical size but there's that but in height I mean he's I think he's six foot three so he's not short but most of the well all the heavyweights champions of recent years have been really really tall Titan Fury is the tallest of all of them six foot nine I think Joshua is at least 6'6 and I think the Klitschko's are like 6'7 6'6
6'7 the Wilder was 6'6 6'7 something like that so they were all really tall and he's fighting people I mean he fought Dubois last time around Usyk did and he's about six foot six huge man he's kind of built like Frank Bruno was and you know so he's used to fighting taller people bigger people stronger people again I don't know if they're stronger because he's a phenomenal athlete he may well be stronger than the bigger guys but they've got the the physical weight to put behind when they're pushing him back
and stuff like that that he can't do to them or he doesn't seem to be able to do to them because you see it in the ring and they can push him but he doesn't seem to be able to push them because they're like three stone heavier some of them which is there's a lot of weight it's quite a lot so I don't know yeah I think it was I mean the whole show lasted a long time and my favorites there was a couple of fights were really good I enjoyed
the Oprataya cruiserweight title fight and I enjoyed seeing Moses fight he's a new heavyweight he's had about nine fights it's 19 he wants to beat Mike Tyson's record for being the youngest heavyweight champion did you know did you there's a bit of pointless information Custodamato Custodamato whatever his name is Custodamato he was Mike Tyson's well legal guardian actually okay he adopted him and he's the one that trained Tyson to get to the point where he won a world title now he passed away before Tyson got a chance to win the
world title but he was he was his driving force he was one that taught Tyson everything about boxing and Mike Tyson went on to be the youngest heavyweight champion ever you know the previous youngest heavyweight champion ever was Floyd Patterson and guess who trained him no idea Custodamato or Custodamato Custodamato he trained Floyd Patterson how weird is that and there was a big I mean this is like in the 60s or something there's like 20 odd years difference between the two and might have even been the 50s let's have a
look Floyd Patterson Floyd Patterson Floyd Patterson so Floyd Patterson was born in 18 1935 okay so that makes sense his first fight was in 1952 when he was 17 years and 252 days and again he had 30 31 fights before fighting for the heavyweight title and he won that against Archie Moore he was 21 years and 331 days so he was this he was the youngest heavyweight champion of all time at that point all the way up until Mike Tyson and let's have a look Custodamato did it say Custodamato trainers
did it say trainers he had 64 wins no 64 fights 55 wins 8 losses and he fought Muhammad Ali of course he did yeah when he was 30 but he held the world title until he came across Sonny Liston so he lost he won he had to held the world title twice he won it against Archie Moore lost it against Ingemar Johansson and then won it again back again against Ingemar Johansson and had a third fight where he won again and then he lost to Tom Sonny Sonny Liston twice and
he fought Muhammad Ali he was 30 years and Muhammad Ali was young young man and then he fought for the world title again when he was 33 in 1968 and then Wow NABF NABF it says NABF heavyweight title he fought against Muhammad Ali NABF I don't know what the NABF is what is that okay NABF the following is it North American Federation it's operation since 1969 Federation or if it changed to IBF and NABF then it became the IBF do you think because NABF I've never I'm confused it's not saying
North American Federation I'll go yeah okay the North American Boxing Federation is a not-for-profit regional sanctioned body that awards regional boxing titles it's a boxing federation within the WBC confused okay I've had enough now that's it I'm confused but gustomato he he trained Floyd Patterson so yeah I thought that was quite interesting you did too that's nice Wow I might have to leave Vinnie in the bedroom when I make these recordings because he's just winding me up with his barking and it's just every now and then and I try and
do the clap so I know that I've had to sort of start again with a sentence or or you know so I know how to edit it out but it just takes the edit makes the editing a lot longer in the morning and then what happens I lose track of how long the recording is because sometimes I have to go and do something to make him stop barking maybe close a window or whatever and then I think I don't know how long the recording is like now it says 1 hour
33 minutes on the screen but it's probably not fully about just over an hour maybe hour and 10 minutes and it's now 18 minutes past 9 and it was 8 minutes past 8 earlier wasn't it I suppose it was also 10 minutes past 8 and it was half past 8 earlier I mean if you go back how far do you want to go it was also 9.19 earlier so yeah it's a bit young anyway it's like I mentioned the time you remember when I said it was soon be sundown sundown
sun something weather nighttime basically at 9.07 was it and it's now dark outside it's not it's not dark yet but it's it's getting there I see if it says it on there again hardly no she says partly cloudy let's go look out the window to notice what whether it's cloudy or not so yeah so that's it for me it was a really busy night watching it last night it was just it went on and on a bit like me really and I decided to cancel my DAZN subscription because it's getting
silly like there's a there's a monthly subscription has gone up used to be $7.99 when they first used to be free to start with I was one of their beta people where that's quite it's quite a good name isn't it really for a boxing app beta basically it was just a tester so I used to listen for free but then I'd give them feedback on how this service was the broadcast you know stuff like that and I did that for about six months and then they started charging and at the
time it's great because I had all these fights on it was free and as time goes by not only is the price has gone up they do a thing where you pay double if you pay monthly as opposed to if you sign up for the year still pay monthly but it's half the price but you're locked into a contract which is something that yeah I'm not not a huge fan of to be honest and then they're doing more and more pay-per-views I mean I can't no one can argue that eight
and a half hours worth of boxing is definitely it's a pay-per-view it's like wow and all the world title fights and stuff is it was you know it's a day out in it really or day in a night in but there's so many and that even like as American fights on the early hours of the morning and they want to charge extra for it on top of the subscription and I just thought no I can't do it anymore just this so when to cancel it you can't cancel it on the
app no more actually did it and went all the through the thing you know click click click here click there and they send you so you contact us to cancel contact us to cancel so I had to sit on the computer send a chat to them it's gonna take me forever to edit this because he's still barking he won't shut up usually my barking thing does the job so I'm gonna go thank you for listening remember remember to be kind to yourself because you do deserve to be happy remember to be gentle with yourself lots of love bye
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